Jack M

I wonder if it is only a problem on softer boards. Race boards have been using nose rocker for years with great success.

Nice try. That's not what's going on there.

Probably a better word for this than chatter is oscillation, because you're right she's not losing the edge. I think oscillation can happen for a number of reasons - not enough edge angle for your sidecut radius and speed, wrong fore/aft weight placement, too much speed for your sidecut radius. She may be doing all three. Jamming her knees together like Craig Kelly is not helping her overcome it. This probably causes her to ride front foot heavy on heelside. I think on toeside most people naturally fall into a good position which prevents oscillation. When you say rocker do you mean nose rocker (decamber)? If so, I'm not sure that has anything to do with oscillation. Nose rocker helps absorb terrain and also lets the nose slice more than plow. It blends the upturn of the nose with the shape of the sidecut when it is up on edge. Funny comment to make while posting a video of a softbooter doing clean(ish) safe turns on mellow hills.

Great to see young people carving, especially girls, but man that is some massive chatter on every heelside.

Cool. As for step-ins, if you are bending over to buckle/unbuckle any of your buckles each run, you've already negated the convenience of step-ins. Doing the toe-clip of a standard binding while you're already bent over isn't a significant additional effort.

Remind me what boots we're talking about?

You should try red springs.

I don't think anyone is bent out of shape. People are just voicing their opinions, the raison d'etre of discussion forums. Personally I have mixed feelings about EC. On one hand nobody has inspired more people to try hardboots than Patrice and Jacques. I thank them for that. My frustrations are that in my observation, most people who come to alpine snowboarding with EC as their goal end up with bad habits - reaching down for the snow, bending over at the waist, flopping from side to side, scrubbing speed and having to stand up and wait for speed to build again. They go straight for the laid-down carves without mastering the basics first. Very few people IMO ever reach the level that Patrice and Jacques have with their style. I find their highly prescriptive guidelines around equipment and stance to be unreasonable. Flat bindings may be good for some people, but I'm convinced that's a bad stance for most. 23cm waist boards? No thanks. I look to racers to see what technique works best on the firm snow conditions that I encounter most. The racer style evolved from necessity, organically. It generates the most edge hold and achieves the best balance in the body. EC only works on very good conditions. But like I said above, if you have good conditions, do whatever's fun for you.

yes. Ironically I see so many people unable to link them while maintaining speed.

Just paste the url right in a post and it will import. I'm sure we'd all love to see this beauty. Asking for emails or calls has been a pattern with scammers, so please handle the transaction in this thread or in forum private messages until you build up some reputation, thanks.

The natural tendency in the second half of a heelside carve is for people to just look down the fall line. That usually leads to the shoulders and hips opening up and aligning parallel to the edge of the board - i.e. facing downhill while the board is going across the hill. This rotates your body backwards with respect to your binding angles. It's simply a less balanced, less powerful posture. Also it's harder to finish a carve if you're not looking where you want to go.

Yeah I can do it. Sometimes on good conditions and steep slopes it just happens. There aren’t any heelside pics though. Next year! I guess this is my most EC toeside pic. Does my technique look hard and tiring? I have perfected it to compliment my total lack of fitness!

Yeah, you do need to rotate on heelside to get your shoulders and head as low as your hips if EC is the goal. Most of the time it's just not necessary, unless you're just going for style. In my video, my pants graze the snow too. I didn't know I was being filmed in that video. It's obviously not a demonstration of EC. Have fun storming the castle!

Except practically nobody does that. They go straight to step 6, diving for the snow. This is how people end up spending 2 years bending over at the waist, reaching down, learning bad habits, and progressing slowly. That tutorial is questionable. You're right that if one takes it slow and masters basics and early steps, they will be better prepared for the laid out turns. But almost nobody does that. You'll notice he doesn't begin to demonstrate laid out turns until the 8th segment of the video. The problem is that the vast majority of people start there. His "basic rotational carving turn" is a bit overdone. You don't need to rotate that much, or really at all. The issue is that in order to maintain alignment between shoulders, hips, and feet, it feels like you are rotating. Because the tendency on heelside especially is to look and face straight down the hill. That's bad. You have to turn with the board. So I think he's exaggerating it. His "frontside laid turn" is all wrong. He nearly sits down on the tail of the board, lifting the nose off the ground, and then reaches for the snow with his hands. Just no. But this video is 11 years old now. I'll give one tip for making the EC heelside - the secret, IMO, is to reach forward with the leading hand, not to the side. Disclaimer - yeah, pretty much any technique and equipment works on good snow. If you have good conditions, do what's fun.

Merci. That’s ok, my point was that EC is not a technique one should start with.

This may come across as mean but I just want to help. I don't intend it personally. IMHO... honestly your video is perfect evidence of why nobody should ever use Extreme Carving as the example of how to start alpine/hardboot/carving snowboarding. I've seen this many times so when I say "you" I mean it generally. You are learning a lot of bad habits that you are going to have to unlearn. Your toesides are the opposite of what you should be doing. You are bending over at the waist and reaching your hands down to the snow. Your butt is up in the air. This is unbalanced posture. Your first movements should be with your ankles, then knees, then hips. Shoulders and hands should remain roughly level to the snow surface. Your heelsides are actually pretty darn good, when you're not trying to EC. When you are trying to EC, you're sitting down with your knees excessively and getting too low for the speed you have. Often you just flop onto your hip and drag your body along the snow, slowing you down further. All this dragging of parts other than the edge causes you to have to stand up and wait for an eternity between carves to regain speed. Another thing EC preaches is rotation. It's not needed. Hips and shoulders should remain aligned with the binding angles. When you are carving properly, fluidly, you will get low without even trying. The ground will just be there, and your hand/arm can effortlessly caress it with little fanfare, and without reaching. You would be a lot further along than you are after two years if you had disregarded EC. It is an expert maneuver that should not be attempted until one is very proficient at carving. I'll offer this video of myself although it was not intended to be an instructional video.

Their website is ambiguous. Scrolling down on your link I see 207hp which I assume is the "stock" config: I also see 218/237 in the tech specs.

There are several incarnations of the V4. Oddly the R is listed at 207hp and the S is listed at 210. Thanks. I’m a fan of the gear. Tail tidy for sure, soon. Gonna live with the stock exhaust for a while. I didn’t think I’d like it but I actually do, a lot. I live in a neighborhood, and also I want to let my bank account recover. YouTube doesn’t do it justice. It’s not quiet.

Haha, this is "just" the Panigale V2 with "only" 155hp. I don't need the 207hp from the V4R. And I like twins and I think this is the best looking Panigale. Took it for my first ride today, it's a dream come true.

OK so this happened yesterday... YOLO... "well, I figured, what the hell." - Doc Brown

I’ll PM you so we don’t hijack this thread

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could mean your stance is too wide.

I loved that NSR 185. One of my all-time favorites.

Deeluxe boots with the 5 position forward lean selector in ride mode cannot hinge at the ankle joint. The forward lean selector locks it out, and then any forward flex comes from deforming the boot. This is stiffer than using BTS with the red (stiff) springs. If you prefer this, that's fine, but just understand what is really going on.