Mr. T

They did not sell yet and I'm in Minneapolis.

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I hope I don't regret this but since they have become showpiece fixtures in my basement as opposed to actual riding tools, I am selling both my 188 and 197 burners. Purchaced both of them used a few years back and rode each about half a dozen times. Both are in great shape, no tail tweaks or cracks. The 188 probably saw a bit more use before I got it than the 197. There are a few top sheet dings from binding bails and a slight cosmetic wave in the top sheet which I could not really capture in a picture. Base and edges of the 188 are in fine shape, still plenty of camber left. The 197 came with a factory tune still on it, super deep rilling which has lasted a multiple waxings. There is a reapaired base ding, 3-4" long near the left edge, forward of the front binding mounts, but not affecting the edge, faintly visible in the pictures. Camber is like new. A few minor top sheet binding dings but nothing major. Both currently have a coat of storage wax on them. Asking $500 obo each, shipped to the continental USA. Please email me with any questions. Tom

My post was pure speculation based on MUD's post regarding ticket refunds ( btw, nice moto MUD )and the crazy stuff that went on at Welch last year. It was not my intention to start a scandal. It is amazing there is not more crossover from other sports, waterskiing, sailboarding, couch surfing, etc.

Is this for real? Are they really going to ban hardbooters? I am in awe!

Go for the 197, just make sure to mount the bindings forward and get tons of speed before starting that first turn. I can get about three turns in on my 197 at our local 300 vert ft. hill here, it takes about half the run to get to speed, a few quick turns then frantic braking on ice. love it! I met up with an ex-Minnesotan now Sandpoint resident visiting family here in Minneapolis while riding bikes off road yesterday. He really gave me the, "time to escape flatland" bug. MMMmmmmmm snow. I really gotta check out the NW this winter!!

Dave, Dave, Dave... . . Holy moley, good to hear the surgery went well and you are getting range of motion back. I'm sure it feels like things are going slowly but hang in there!! Heal quickly, we're rooting for you!!! Tom

Kimo, It's been a while since I've been on the site so it was a pretty big shock to hear about your surgery. Great to hear that your surgery went well and life is slowly returning to some sort of normality. Keep healing, our thoughts and prayers are with you. Tom

I had a twin tip Barfoot, I think it was my third board. I remember it being flourescent yellow, with hot pink crazy banana bindings, super stiff and a way better performer than my performer ( both of which I wish I still owned ). I remember taking the barfoot on a trip to Colorado circa 1988, and having some epoch days at A-basin and full moon, midnight salvos of Loveland pass. Ahhhh thanks for the memories Chuck!

Sorry for the delay, the board is really in great shape and I'm pretty sure I can get what I'm asking so I'm holding out, sorry. I may have to wait till fall. Thanks for the offer though. The 188 and 197 burners are pretty different in terms of what it takes to turn them. The 188 rides much shorter, I think, than a non split 88. Much more turny and much less force and speed required to get the 188 to turn. Sort of has the edge initiation of a 178ish length with the edge hold of a 188. The 97 requires much more speed and real estate to initiate and complete a turn, rides more like a 97. If you are having trouble with initiation on the 97 look at perhaps moving bindings more fore on the board, be aggressive with agnulation and pressure when initiating the turn then be patient, it has a big radius, but the more you can decamber the board the faster it will repond.

Burner is still available!

Stainless on the Madd, don't know on the flex index, sounds kooky but John Gilmore may have some insight as I think he had design input.

Pictures: Couple of notes: Both boards have storage wax on the base, Madd has stainless inserts.

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In order to fund a new bicyle frame I gotta thin the herd! Sims Burner 188: Used but in great shape with a few top sheet nicks and blems, base is also in fine shape. Bought this used a few years back and found the stance to be too narrow for my giant stance. I rode it about three times, spent most of it's life with me with a thick coat of storage way against the wall. Austrian made. Asking $450 Madd 180 : "The Shagmaster" Also used but in great shape, base has seen about 5 days and a wax since a PTC wonder tune, top sheet has areas of inconsistent epoxy on the edges of the topsheet which seems to be consistent with other Madd's I've seen. Shred Grumer custom graphics are pretty classic. Bought this used from Geoff, but it was originally built for Shaggy over at Madd. Asking $550 I tried without success to upload pictures and I nearly dropped my sandwhich. Sorry for the hastle but, please email me for pictures and more info!!! I'll try to get some images compressed tommorrow! Prices do not include shipping. Cheers!!! Tom

Affirmative Fin, local lore states that the not only were the Vikings on North American soil hundreds of years before any other white man, they were the little known pioneers in the sport of cocktailing. Long days of oaring across the ocean were mixed with various rudimentary drinking games which were the predicessors of such all time drinking favorites as president/ahole, quarters and the ever-popular keg stand. These games then culminated in to the more generic cocktailing once the people and lands the Vikings conquered had no choice but to smile and drink with them. In fact it is widely accepted that the beer helmet of today was developed by the Vikings.

I think I can get out for a morning session tomorrow, anybody planning on riding in the A.M.? tom

Swix sells an anti-static cloth on a roll that seems to do a good job sort of de staticing a base post brush. Unless I am prepping to race I found that Dominator all temp hydo wax does prett well at most temps non extreme temps. I have also got away from scraping every time, I try and wax as evenly as possible, perhaps a light scrape to take down large pooling, wax off edges, brush and ride.

Sounds like he needs a little more progression into feeling comfortale riding straight down the fall line and working into edge transition. Going back to the bunny hill and practicing back foot out turns may help get him used to centering and weighting the front foot without the fear of uncontrolled speed. Start him with straight runs with back foot out, and progress to straight runs with turns both heel and toe, but starting with the board going straight down the fall line. Once he feels comfortale with starting with the board straight down the fall line into a turn back foot out, have him start on an edge, slightly off fall line and work on weighting the frontfoot to get the oard down the fall line, the into a turn. Stress proper stance, weight on the front foot, bent knees, proper upper body position both on the straight run and through the turns, edging and pressure to finish the turn. Garlands are something PSIA used to model, esentially it's doing a series of of the same edge turns with the intent of working up to a full flat base, with the goal of transition to the other edge. It is a great drill with back foot out (but difficult) on the bunny hill because if one can do it back foot out, locked and loaded with both feet is a breeze. Try it for yourself first and see if you can model it for him. Generally, though there is not enough real estate on the bunny hill to link many garlands. The key is that he feels comfortable with the board going straight down the fall line, and that he can transition quickly onto the next edge without the fear of going too fast. Feelings of excess speed and loss of control in a beginner usually translate to weighting the back foot insted of the front and sitting or bailing out. Hope this makes some sense. I had a three year old climbing on my back as I wrote this. tom

Nice pile o' shots Mike!!! You should have handed off the camera and taken a couple of runs yourself!!! Muchos gracias for shooting us!!!! tom

The Moose Jaw in Frisco has a nice spot under the pool table.

I am also in Nordeast and can give you a ride. I emailed you also, let me know your address, punk ass. Tom

After much deliberation over who will care for our newish baby (and our three year old) while I am in Aspen having fun n' stuff, she finially gave in to my plight. Trip will be a bit shorter than usual but what the hey. Stoked to see everyone!!!!!!

heavenly reported 8 feet of snow over the last 48 HRS!!!!!!

Assuming all the snow doesn't melt in the upcoming thaw, I'll be there!!!!! I got an exuse slip from my dentist to skip work on the 16th!!!! Tom