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That's interesting because Bruce Varsava told me he sees a lot of guys who have their BTS adjusted so their front boot has too much forward lean. He suggested you adjust the springs with no forward lean bias if I heard him correctly.

Why is it a UPZ size 28 has a 312mm sole when a Deeluxe 325 size 28 has a 303mm sole and yet the size 27 boots used in the boot volume study on this website, i.e. UPZ/Head, Deeluxe SB and Deeluxe AF all have about a 299mm sole? It seems a little weird to me. Up-date FWIW, 2/5/17. Actually a UPZ, 28 has 291 / 312mm indicated on the side of the sole of the lower shell and the Deeluxe 325, 28 has 303mm. I'm going to have to do some measurements to determine what those numbers relate to. I expect the size 27 UPZ / Head boot used for the volume study had 279 / 299mm on the side of the sole of the lower shell. I apologize for subjecting you to this minutiae.

What brand, style, material, and most especially thickness,etc. sox are you wearing in your hard boots? What have you tried that didn't work?

Hardbooting/purecarving is, indeed, a strange sport. I just had to level with three of my best long-time skiing buddies that I had been going it alone all this season because they would never want to ski the terrain I have been trying to hone my carving skills on. Every run I would ski with them would take one skill improvement run away from my quest to carve like Corey, and many of you do. I have not seen even one other hardbooter on the mountain this season but I have enjoyed the hell out of every solo run I've made. New boards/equipment/approaches injected into this sport are welcome, I guess.

Consume 187.5 ml of wine and go out and try it again. I find an alcohol induced attitude adjustment does wonders and causes me to let everything hang out just a little bit more than I normally would. Am I alone here? Last year when I was a total novice never having been on a board, except 10 years ago for part of a season trying to carve, a glass of wine made it impossible for me to even stay on my board at all. This season after twenty days (8:45 to 11:15 = about fifteen runs, up down, up down, go home) of working on my carve the wine does wonders as it used to after I had sixty years of skiing under my belt.

After boarding about fifteen times in my 325s with intuition liners and feeling pretty good about the fit even though they were a little tight in the toe width, all of a sudden the toes on my right foot began to kill so badly I had to quit riding. I think I am getting it worked out but it was very frustrating.

Hi Jim, I think I just got my question answered after looking over the link on boot volume. I had seen it before but had forgotten about it. Bob

Thanks or the link, Pat. If I'm analyzing correctly it appears that a T700 has more toe room width than a T325, right? The UPZ toe room width appears to be a little less than a T700. Is that correct?

Thanks for your reply, Corey. Does a 700 have more toe room width than a 325?

Jim, Is there more toe room width in the 700 vs the 325? Bob

I really appreciate your information, Aracan. Sorting out hard boots can be challenging and, I think, is one of the most significant impediments to this sport. Bob

They came with various boots I have purchased. Nothing sereptitious intended but I will edit my ad for these liners in my 325 ad. Still, the very significant difference in fit between size 28 131s and size 280 141s is puzzling.

Are any of you riding in 425s? How do you like them? I see that they have the same style of tongue as the 225s and 325s which is a totally different and much more user friendly design that the T700s, IMHO. I guess they are made in China whereas the 325s, at least, are made in Hungary. How much stiffer are than the T700s? Are they made with the same molds as the 325s since their tongue is similar in design (maybe identical)? Does the size 28 425 have the same heel and toe room inside the shell as a size 28 325?

Have any of you tried the lace-up heel slings as are used on some Deeluxe soft boots to keep your heel firmly planted in the heel cup of the liner when using hard boots? It seem like you might not have to clamp your boots down quite as hard.

Thanks for your reply. I am going to try to get a tiny bit more room in the toe area of my Intuition liners before I buy another pair. Sizing with UPZ and Deeluxe is weird to me too. I can walk into any shoe store in the US that has one of those cast aluminum shoe size devices and I measure a US size 12.5 and that is the size of 95% of the shoes I wear. My foot measures 28.2cm so I am boarding in a Deeluxe 325 size 28 but am having trouble getting enough room in the toes even after repeated thermo moldings. I may resort to cutting the toe section off completely or doing serious surgery on the Intuition liners and then Gorilla tape them back together. Some days my toes are fine but on others they kill. Based on the fingers behind my heel with bare foot in the shell, 28 is my size. I know that 29s are too sloppy and I can't cram my foot into a 27. I bought a pair of UPZ RC10 size 28.5, evidently just like yours, from Dan in Canada and there was no way they were going to be roomy enough in the toes and I didn't want to pay or a non-thermo liner that I didn't think would ever fit so I sent them back. With a little work I am pretty sure I will be able to get these 325s to work with my Intuition liner or a Deeluxe 131 or Palau 141 liner that I have. Thanks again. Bob

I might like to buy a UPZ or Deeluxe inner boot in a size 28.5.

Norms both ways no problem. I can even link up Norms on ideal terrain but now I know I must get serious by getting down, press that sidewall into the snow, bend the board and get it up on a much steeper angle in order to manage the slope rather than let the slope win by me skidding out. This has been covered on this forum ad neasuium but one piece of advice was just made clear to me, if I understand it correctly, i.e. on a left turn, lead with your left elbow and touch your front boot with your right hand and on a right turn lead with your right elbow and touch your left hand to your front boot. Do I have that right?

Received the board today (Tuesday) and I think Scott shipped it on Saturday. Looks great! Thank you very much for going the extra mile to get it to me by today so I could take it to Whistler. I really appreciate it. Can't wait to take it for a spin at Whistler tomorrow, Thursday, Friday or Saturday so long as we don't get rained out. My experience is that hard booters are in the same fraternity as rowers when it comes to integrity and that is a good thing. Thanks again, Scott.

What I am saying is the 131s are painfully tight and I can't beiieve they could ever fit whereas the 141s are very tight in the toes but they could be made to fit. Why the big difference? Have others experienced this?

Nothing sereptitious intended but I will edit my ad for these liners in my 325 ad. Still, the very significant difference in fit between size 28 131s and size 280 141s is puzzling.

I have two pairs of new, never heated liners, i.e. one is a Thermoflex 131 size 28 and the other is a Pal;au 141, size 280. I'm assuming they're both size 28 but my toes are super, super cramped in the 131s, to the point I doubt any heating would make them useable but, much to my surprise, the 141 Palau 280s fit as though a little heat molding would make my toes very happy. If this is what others can confirm then I would suggest size 28 131s would be good for a foot measuring less than 28cm (mine measures 28.2cm). I'm using Intuitions now as I knew the 131s would never fit. Now I think I will heat up the 280 141s and give them a try in my size 28 shells. Maybe size 28 131s would make for a good 27.5 size.

Deeluxe T325, size 28, black, with less than ten days on them and my days are 2 hours long, no liners, nearly perfect condition $199 plus $30 for shipping.

When I think of softer boots I think of the ATB and 225. The RC10 is a stiff boot in the UPZ lineup like the Deeluxe T700, isn't it? I think of the 325s and RC8s as mid-stiff.

Thanks for the great info. Other than if you're trying to win an Olympic medal I didn't read anything in there that would entice me into paying probably close to a grand for a pair of boots that you can't step into.

Then are they the better choice than RC10s, RC8s, T700s and T325s for most of us?