LeeW Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Whats your experience with tandem snowboarding instructing with the beginners? EDIT: Oops, I accidentally changed the entire page of this first msg and revert it back to original post. -sigh- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northcoast Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 If you mean tandem as in riding together then yes. However, only if I'm the one riding with them and when it is absolutely necessary. I do use it with my advanced students to teach control, teamwork, and a tool for improving switch riding. It's pretty cool seeing linked turns and linked flatspin 360's done while two people are holding hands. ________ vapir oxygen vaporizer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfell Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Not what you are talking about, but I have made some runs with on of my friends who had the same size boots as me and was also regular. We took our two G.S. boards one would buckle into both front bindings and the other would buckle into both rear bindings and we would make "ski" type turns, wedging would work with a tall flexible person in the back, teamwork was key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted January 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Yea, that's the tandem Im talkinga bout. Saw a photo of the "only" couple of surfing tandem, and then saw the alpine tandem snowboarding. Thought I'd ask around. Looks like fun, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Im gonna revive this thread. I wonder if this approach would be suitable, considering a friend/client of mine is deaf and blind. There's several ideas thrown on how to approach this angle. Tandem snowboarding is what I got in mind, and ideallistically, it looks very very apealling-- a long snowboard with hardboots with him behind me. Like two person on one motorcycle. Any comments, ideas ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Originally posted by Kent Yes, I teach both tandem snowboarding and cow tipping as a combined class...... And Kent, WHAT is cow tipping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Originally posted by northcoast If you mean tandem as in riding together then yes. However, only if I'm the one riding with them and when it is absolutely necessary. I do use it with my advanced students to teach control, teamwork, and a tool for improving switch riding. It's pretty cool seeing linked turns and linked flatspin 360's done while two people are holding hands. This is -NOT- what I had in mind. What I had in mind was two person wearing hardboots riding on ONE long snowboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rick ferguson Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 If you are that challenged, try nailing some construction boots to a sheet of plywood and have a dance party on it while going down the slopes! Certain sports were designed to be SOLO! Let's just re-invent the wheel. If the blind want to now what it feel's like to slide on the snow, put them on a saucer. I'm not being mean, just realistic. Sensory activity is what they need and want, tandem snowboarding is a false impression of thier freedom to feel power. Put'em on a tube run where it is safe and let them FEEL the power of the slide solo! If someone is that poor of a rider, and NOT blind , they should try another sport. I've given surf lesson's and some people just are'nt cut out to do it , otherwise we would all be surfer's/ hardboot carver's!!!! It take's a special breed to develop the skill's , don't dillute the method in which it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fin Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Here ya go (below): There was actually a company in Europe promoting this as an actual sport and they made special hardware just for this. At somepoint I did have a vid clip, have to see if I can find that. I can only imagine what a big crash on that looks like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rick ferguson Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Big crash is what I imagine and injury to one or both, it's nice that you (LEEW) want to get your blind / deaf friend on the slope's , but this may not be the way. We all have limitation's and must live and work with what is realistic. As I suggested, your sport is carving/snowboarding, but it really can't be your friends. I am sorry for his/her situation and wish it could be changed, but give them a safe alterative to a snow experience. It's about sensory and IDEPENDANCE!!! A snow tube, saucer or even ski's would be a better idea. And if you have'nt been on a modern snow tube lately, you'll be shocked on the ride, blind or not, you'll be amazed-good fun to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 I'd love to see that video. I could see that being a lot of fun, but I could also see it being very, very painful. And arguing over whose fault the crashes are... that would never end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 and tether him check out maine handicapped skiing skimhs.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tigger Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 hi everybody, i found pictures of of a snowboardcamp for blind Kids, and i heard about snowboardinstructors that ride with handicaped people on a tandemboards. in this case they are connected with a beltsysthem. jugend_tandemsnowboard.bmp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 I think you have to be REAL good friends to ride that board that Fin posted! However, I do think it's awesome that we can give people with handicaps a chance to experience what we all take for granted. Best of luck Lee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 In 1988 awsome movie Cannon Surf II, featuring Jean Nerva and Regis Rolland among others, there is a great tandem sequence of Jean riding in pow pow with a nice brunette... She is in front since it seems from the vid that he is doing the driving ( he is jean nerva after all) !!! They do huge turns and also crash nicely ( in the powder thu..). They were both wearing the old snowboarder from raichle on the movie ( white an green / violet boots)... I'll try to post a few frame grabs asap! I'd definitely try to introduce a blind/deaf friend to this, if he is not heavier than me thu... and put him / her on the front ! Because the balance seems very slow motion, and once the weight is at the wrong place, it gets down quick! Nils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Originally posted by rick ferguson If you are that challenged, try nailing some construction boots to a sheet of plywood and have a dance party on it while going down the slopes! Certain sports were designed to be SOLO! Let's just re-invent the wheel. If the blind want to now what it feel's like to slide on the snow, put them on a saucer. I'm not being mean, just realistic. Sensory activity is what they need and want, tandem snowboarding is a false impression of thier freedom to feel power. Put'em on a tube run where it is safe and let them FEEL the power of the slide solo! If someone is that poor of a rider, and NOT blind , they should try another sport. I've given surf lesson's and some people just are'nt cut out to do it , otherwise we would all be surfer's/ hardboot carver's!!!! It take's a special breed to develop the skill's , don't dillute the method in which it works. For a start, he -IS- a surfer and a longboard rider. Long time resident of La-Jolla oughta tell/hint you that. His eyesights has dwindled badly the last few years. Been deaf all his life as much as I have. Does that still "exempt" him from the so-called special breed ? Mind you, we're still working on another angle to get him to be able to still surf and skateboard, too. He and I once did a team work -- me riding a bicycle while he holds to my shoulder and skate/longboard. So I had to be mindful on watching out those cracks/pebbles on the sidewalk (unless if the wheels are soft). I must say it brought me thrills/happiness/satisfaction I contributed to him to -stay- in the board sports, instead of confining him to "you can't do that anymore. sorry buddy." mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Originally posted by bobdea and tether him check out maine handicapped skiing skimhs.org Yea, Im into that kind of stuffs. Im working on entering BOEC (Breckenridge Outdoors Education Center for the disabled) internship program. got experience with those, too. :p :) Thanks, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Tigger, do you know the name of the snowboard camp for the blind? Fin/Michelle, thanks! Perhaps we could hunch together and come up with an equipment with that mills of yours? hehe yep, that's how i found out about tandem snowboarding -- Europe. nils, i hope i can find video of that age (1988) somehow somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tigger Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Hi Lee the Camp was organised by the Bavarian Blind Assosiation in Germany. But i found a Page Of a Companie that produces and promotes Tandemsnowboarding. Thhe Name is http://www.tandemsnowboard-akademie.de unfortunately it is in german, but i can tell you some facts from their INFO site: there were european tandem championships held this year, with disabled an non disaled riders, they hope to push the sport to the Paralympics soon, they also installed their first two tandemteststations in the US in cooperation with some local snowboardskools. There were Tandemboarders at the "sandboarding worldchampionships" in Germany too. Perhaps well see you and your friend at the next Paralympics. good Luck PS in the FOTO section you can download some short videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARCrider Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 As long as my carve partner was lighter than my 190lbs. and as long as the snow was soft to land in!! Any chance someone could bring a tandem rig to Aspen for the session.(video opportunity) I ride tandem bicycles. A Santana for the road and a fully suspended KHS for off road adventures. Why not try tandeming on a snowboard. Any lightweights want to try carving like a freight train? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostertwo Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Hi Lee,<p></p>There is a guy we trained with named Bobby Palm who has worked fairly extensively with adaptive snowboarding. I'm afraid I don't have his number, but you can contact him through the <a href="http://www.psia-rm.org/adaptsnowbrd.htm" target="http://www.psia-rm.org/adaptsnowbrd.htm">AASI-RM</a> offices in Steamboat. I don't think he's experimented with tandem riding, but has created quite a few interesting devices to help differently-abled people enjoy snowboarding.<p></p><img src="http://tinypic.com/atpms"> <img src="http://tinypic.com/atppz"><p></p>Best of luck with BOEC this season.<p></p>Cheers,<br>B-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Tigger; danke! I'll need to rebrush my german. its been so long since I last studied Deutsch! boosters; do I know you? I work with Ruth DeMuth occasionally as well as chair 12 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuffy Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I NEED one of those (photo_ispo_tandem_big.jpg).... I think I just might try to make one if I can come up with a boot solution for non-boarders... One question though...what weight differential might be required? Hm..wonder if 40-50 lbs would be enough rear>front...eh..be funny any way you did it, heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishboardracer Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 I've seen a few people riding tandem in Kaprun (Austria) but they were always standing one regular, one goofy unlike the pics here where both riders are the same stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Jean is so stylish ! Here is part of the small extract with Jean tandem riding with Mylene Ducloz ( famous mountaineer family) in 1988 movie Cannon Surf II. please right click on this link and save as! Movie is encoded in Divx format ( Divx Plug in needed) Nils PS: note the other riders are jean-Phi garcia (ex world cup winner i think?) ( red suit ) on a Burton Safari II and also an Apocalypse snowboard freestyle model ( white base ) and yellos suit rider is Regis Rolland himself, riding his Apocalypse snowboard Swallowtail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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