skategoat Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Got a friend with flipper feet - size 12. He bought a Prior MFR 168W with 270mm waist. It's his first snowboard other than rentals and he's not sure what angles to run. I run 21/9 so I set him up at 21/12 and the rear foot overhangs like crazy. What would be the max, practical angles he could run without limiting his progression. He's not interested in park or riding switch. And yes, I tried to talk him into alpine but he's not having any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Beyond 35ish the highbacks don't do much, without a 3rd strap added... I guess he's a beginner? He'll probably be fine with the overhang for now. Then, maybe some risers later? Edited January 3, 2020 by BlueB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishsurfer Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) I run 33 on my lead foot with no issues. Alot of japanese/korean softbooters run angles in 45s so it is possible to go pretty high but your friend will probably want stiff boots to offer support Edited January 3, 2020 by scottishsurfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 It's way to early to specialize into high angles. Try as-is and then go from there. Toe overhang doesn't matter for 90% of snowboarders as they'll never tip the board up high. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishsurfer Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) out of curiosity what boots is he riding as im size 11 and was able to ride -3 degrees on the back foot(I ride 33,-3) with a 275mm waist board? Edited January 3, 2020 by scottishsurfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) Risers can help... That said big feet need wider boards. That said many beginners start with boots that are too large. If his toes weren't touching the ends of his softies on day one they are too large. My softies are larger (12) than my hardboots... I think the lowest I go for the rear is in the high 20s. Edit- My napkin calculations say MP 30 boots should be able to go down to 17 on a 27.5 waist. Edited January 4, 2020 by lonbordin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuxdiesel Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Does you friend have ski experience? If so, higher angles (30/20) aren't going to necessarily hinder him while he is learning. You might be able rotate the front high back a little, but he will most likely initiate heel side turns by projecting his hips a little more and a little less squatting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skategoat Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 20 hours ago, scottishsurfer said: out of curiosity what boots is he riding as im size 11 and was able to ride -3 degrees on the back foot(I ride 33,-3) with a 275mm waist board? He has Salomon Dialogues, size 31. I'll leave him at 21/12 for now and see how it goes. He is a skier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staples156 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 I run about +36/+29 with size 30.5 MP Salomon Malamutes, which probably give me a bit of extra leeway for higher angles. Leaving him at those angles until he starts to boot out makes sense. Then either start cranking the angles more, or get some Bomber power plates (they're absolutely fantastic for riding softies with big feet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 11:52 PM, lonbordin said: My napkin calculations say MP 30 boots should be able to go down to 17 on a 27.5 waist. Mondopoint is just the length of your foot in centimeters. I'm guessing a boot for size 30 feet will be probably 32cm long at best. Off the top of my head I can't imagine 17 degrees doing much to overcome the 4.5cm difference in your example. I ride 30/15 on a 27.5cm waist board, with US size 10.5 Burton Driver X. I can still get toe drag at extreme edge angles. Most of the time it's good though. There is a reason @Ryan Knapton rides 31cm waist boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Edit- Jack's right in that the rider in question might need a much wider board. There's a large difference in the average riders angulation angles and yours @Jack M I was calculating average not if we're looking at someone like @Ryan Knapton Edited January 23, 2020 by lonbordin Heroes! Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuisanceIV Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 Might want to have him try out angles and go up as needed. If he's still skidding around it won't really be much of an issue unless it's really bad. Bad overhang to us is gonna' be quite different than bad overhang for a basic all-mountain rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitejumping Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 I'm on 11.5's, before getting custom boards I tried like 45 in front/back to try to get rid of most of the overhang but it was terrible, boots were way too soft side to side. Now I ride 15, -15, but on a 32cm waist board so overhang isn't an issue. My thoughts now on it is that if you're really into carving, boots should never overhang ...hardboots or softboots... When surfing/wakeboarding/kiteboarding your board is always way wider than your feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kijima Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, kitejumping said: I'm on 11.5's, before getting custom boards I tried like 45 in front/back to try to get rid of most of the overhang but it was terrible, boots were way too soft side to side. Now I ride 15, -15, but on a 32cm waist board so overhang isn't an issue. My thoughts now on it is that if you're really into carving, boots should never overhang ...hardboots or softboots... When surfing/wakeboarding/kiteboarding your board is always way wider than your feet. I agree, but until the rider becomes concious of what a real turn is, they will fight that board width all day long. Zombies need skinny boards to allow for side slipping 6 hours a day. For me personally I find heel overhang to be the hardest one to manage so I stay close to flush on the heel and put all my extra width on the toe side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Does anyone know what it is like for a carving novice to try out a Knapton wide board? I started with a Lib Tech and soft boots, and experienced the inevitable toe and heel drag. I then tried Apex risers: From my snow riding journal Mar 24th 2017 Loveland 4"/24, at most. At times dust on crust, or reef. I have mounted Apex Gecko Stealth carbon fiber riser plates between my Lib Tech Mullet 160cm and my Salomon Defender bindings. The point of these is more carving power. They seem to absorb a bit of chatter too. Whether it is them, or the techniques for soft boot carving I learned from watching Ryan Knapton's you tube vids on the topic, I have more fun than expected on the dust on reef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 10:02 PM, Kijima said: I agree, but until the rider becomes concious of what a real turn is, they will fight that board width all day long. Zombies need skinny boards to allow for side slipping 6 hours a day. For me personally I find heel overhang to be the hardest one to manage so I stay close to flush on the heel and put all my extra width on the toe side. I only see underhang there... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitejumping Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Rolf said: Does anyone know what it is like for a carving novice to try out a Knapton wide board? I taught my friend how to snowboard so he only went straight to carving and now after only 2-3 seasons he tried one of my super wide ones and is about to order his own. He commented it was actually way easier to carve and a "cheater board" for carving because skidded turns were harder for him to do on it vs carving. If you can cleanly carve on a low angle green leaving a thin track its not hard to switch to a wide Donek (for carving). The freestyle butter tricks take a long time to learn / adapt to the wide board as they are a lot easier on narrow flexy boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kijima Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 3:55 AM, BlueB said: I only see underhang there... Yes. But much more on the toe side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Why underhang and why more on the toe side? Also, why are we discussing underhang in an overhang thread? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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