RyanKnapton Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I've seen a vid that was on the "vitelli carve"... where the rider puts the forearm / elbow into the snow quite a bit. I'm wondering if thats what you all call it, or if there's other names for it, or if you name it, or if "vitelli" was a person or a type of elbow macaroni or what... lol. Any insight would be appreciated! The exact elbow down style I'm talking about I do at :05, :08, :21 and 1:05 in this vid. https://youtu.be/car2R0UEUGY Edited March 16, 2015 by RyanKnapton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Ryan, welcome to Bomber Online. Nice carving!!! Nice riding in general. The term is associated with carving , however, it is seldom used here. More common in Europe I think? Here is a good explanation in IMHO. http://www.alpinecarving.com/ec.html The Older Eurocarving style (Vitelli turns) were generally limited to a single laid-over turn, usually on toe side. Jean Nerva and Peter Bauer can be found carving laid-out Vitelli turns in older snowboard videos, but you never see them linking two laid-out turns in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecshredder Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Love your style Ryan. I'll be on the lookout for you next season up in CO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 'vitelli turn' makes me think of neon, and headbands. shudder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCrobar Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Hi Ryan The turn you make at 1:04 to 1:08 is just AWESOME! I would call it 'Laid Out Carving' Videos like yours and Art of Carve (Haakonsen and Ferguson) give me hope for the what boarding may look like in the future. Cool Rob Edited March 17, 2015 by RCrobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Vitelli was a rider from HOT snowboards AFAIK who popularized this kind of turn (yea, elbow dragging and all). Quite honestly I don't like either of these names, both "Vitelli turn" and "Eurocarving" sound very old school, the only time I've heard someone mention a Vitelli turn was 50+ and the name Eurocarving in particular makes my teeth grate... I dunno, for me it's simply carving, you can add adjectives such as low, hand-dragging, etc. You could make the argument that 'carving' has been pushed so far out the mainstream that most people now qualify carving as anytime the board is 'on edge' regardless of the line left behind. So sure, maybe a new word could better define this type of riding with carving having lost its true meaning whereas extremecarving it's not (no mixup here, you need to be fully laid out). One surprising fact is the negative connotation of carving/extremecaring, every time I saw it brought up online there's a hefty backlash calling it boring, pointless, and dangerous while touting off-piste and big-air riding. So there's also that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbvt Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Vitelli turn… wow, there's a phrase I haven't heard in about 20 years…! --mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCrobar Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Hi Michael This is exactly the reason you need the word carve in the name. Young rippers will look up to riders like Ryan. Guys like Ryan are going to teach and educate the young skidders what it really means to carve, they will listen to Ryan not us old farts. As far as the other negativity goes. It doesn't matter whether you play for the young, old, hard, soft, race, freecarve, EC, BMX, skateboard (you get the point) team, there will always be the negative and loud minority that rain on the parade of the quiet majority. As the kids these days say, don't let the 'haters' get in your way of the fun you are having. Cheers Rob Edited March 17, 2015 by RCrobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 That was fun to watch! BTW What binding angles are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Serge Vitelli. Hell of a guy. Like the story on Rob, watching Serge and Keving Delaney in 89 on Blackcomb lay out toesides had me gaping. I was in the shop that afternoon drilling my back foot binder to accept 40 degrees. A game-changer which saw me boosted into the run-side woods on my second turn. Ryan... If you want to see some mad sb carving, check out "Section 8 - How to carve a snowboard", on YouTube, and view Mike Bray slay. Those turns are the best I've seen in the world of lo angle sb riding. It was claimed by some that watching it damaged their vision. Others, some I have boundless respect for, claimed that it was beautiful. If you can learn those turns, with your butter transitions, you will be the new King in a very small circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKnapton Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Cool. Thanks for the insight guys. I seriously didn't know it was named from a person or what. I'm still a bit confused on what I should use for a name on it though... (in a future tutorial)... cuz it does seem a bit different when you lay the forearm down and release a bit of pressure off the toeside edge (so for my setup with 15,-15 I can definitely go deeper on it vs. having my hand extended out and edge sinking in deeper). BTW What binding angles are you using? 15,-15 and centered on a stiff twin 160. Thanks and Happy St. Patricks all! https://youtu.be/He5mtq-PMas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebiker Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Hi Ryan The turn you make at 1:04 to 1:08 is just AWESOME! Ditto that!!! I had the pleasure of meeting Ryan last month at Breck by sheer chance....really cool guy and fascinating riding style. Props again, Ryan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west carven Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 howdy RyanKnapton i think this has been talked about before..., but a carve is a carve, hard or soft boots. forget terminology dont need um... https://www.youtube.com/user/kagayaki326 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCrobar Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 I agree, carving is carving. I 'think' Ryan is talking about more of a Carving & Trick combination. In the series of videos that West Carven provided, the Japanese group of riders call Ryan's type of moves Carving & Trick. Check the 1:20 mark of this movie from West Carven. What name do you give to a forward laid elbow down carve, to a backwards laid elbow down carve, then back to forwards again? Does this qualify as a trick or just a carve? (Bert-Revert Carve, Alley-Oop Carve, Alley-Oop Laid Carve etc?) Kasper Karver called it Fakie-Switch carving, similar move(s) to Ryan. I 'think' Ryan has asked the forum for help picking a name for the overall move, forward-backward elbow carve, that he will make into a video tutorial? Is this correct? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west carven Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 howdy RyanKnapton well i guess you jibbers need a name for all the tricks, i like the "ollie carve"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy... Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 well i guess you jibbers need a name for all the tricks, i like the "ollie carve"? How about Super Def Ill SillyWhack Slappy Carve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 howdy RyanKnapton ...i like the "ollie carve"? That would have to be for the no-board version, which would I think be a little harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 That would have to be for the no-board version, which would I think be a little harder. I think the softie riders call getting air off the flex of the tail or nose without a transition an ollie, or at least they used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think the softie riders call getting air off the flex of the tail or nose without a transition an ollie, or at least they used to. Many do, but they perhaps miss the fact that the main issue is that with an "Ollie" you're not fastened to the board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCrobar Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Surfing has the 'Layback'Skating has the 'Bert' ... which developed into the Bert-Revert.Boarding already has the 'Vitelli' and the 'Euro-Carve' ... names many don't really like.Boarding could have the 'The Layout'The Japanese have already labeled the overall group of moves 'Carving&Tricks.' This sounds awkward to me, so simplify this to 'Carving Tricks.' I see this as the way Ryan is riding, carving between tricks, carving into tricks, or carving being the trick, etc. Under this main category, Carving Tricks, you can list an endless number of tricks. One of these tricks being the 'Layout' the move where you put your elbow down; you have to go way further over to get your elbow vs just your hand to the snow. Next will be Heelside and Toeside 'Layouts' ... etc. Ryan's move from the 1:04 to 1:08 could be known as the Toeside Layout to Revert, it's like Latin 101 for boarders Well, that is my best crack at a name.CheersRob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCrobar Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Hi RyanIn your St Patricks day video, at the 56 second mark, you do a cool and interesting Heelside Layout. I can't remember seeing anyone riding softboots and duck (+15, -15 as you stated) use quite the same approach that you have to do a laid out heelside Layout in softies ... really cool! You are a talented rider with a very smooth style, but I have one very subjective suggestion that comes from a place of respect for your skill. I am not sure that you will physically be able to perform my recommendation with the wide duck stance. When doing your board grab, the Z-Boys would call grabbing between the legs 'StinkBug' while grabbing around the rear leg looks super stylish to many.CheersRob Edited March 19, 2015 by RCrobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Ryan, thanks for posting this video, you are a great rider that is doing something new -- or at least unusual and fresh. I'd love to see someone riding like that at my local hill. (Hell, this season, I'd love to see anyone riding at all...has not been a good snow year.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Layout turns. If you said "Vitelli" to anyone under 40, they wouldn't get it. The former describes it pretty well, but then you'd have to actually "lay out", which should mean hip on the snow, and beyond that, the whole body sliding, but still carving throughout. I have never actually seen anyone do this, heelside, on our (duck) angles. I'm talking not just butt down, but torso too. There's a Russian guy on sb's who does them well, but his angles are pretty high, allowing that lateral hip movement that makes high-angle, laid turns much easier. The video is out there, somewhere. Edit... The only people I know who actually ollie a snowboard would be doing it bindingless. Look up anything with Jeremy Jensen and Grassroots, or Wolle Nyvelt and Asmo, though Wolle has been known to use magnets. Edited March 18, 2015 by Rob Stevens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCrobar Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Hey RobI gotta say was thinking the same thing that you pointed out. My thought process was that the high stance angle softboot style of laid out turns, in the video(s) below, is true linked and laid EC turns as defined by J&P.The Heelside Layout that Ryan does, as defined by my one post , means he just has to get his elbow down. My call is that Ryan is trying to miss the camera and can make any type of turn that he feels like making, getting more elbow down if he wanted to. It would appear that Ryan has been influenced by our hard-boot community, to me this is really cool!! No matter what the term or definition, cool turns by a talented rider, thanks Ryan. CheersRob#2 Edited March 18, 2015 by RCrobar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) I don't think I'd have been on the groomers too much, if I were in the boots of the subject, in the second video... Edited March 18, 2015 by Rob Stevens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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