kieran Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Just in case i meant write this in Finglish to mean changing stance width for plate, not stance width of rider :) so my question was does that has effect of how board behaves oh. i suspect narrowing plate-to-board mounting widths will let you decamber the board really easily. corrections welcome.i imagine once the plebs (including me) have isolation plates, we'll have a symptom-solution list for mounting/locating plates on boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUD Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Sorry, don't know the dates for that, but it's possible. We don't know either..... When we figure out a date we will be in touch. Thanks Sean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Specially interested how nose behaves when changing plate stance. Need to wait until snow here and some stuff will arrive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Need to wait until snow here and some stuff will arrive need only to wait until plate arrives, and then terrorize people (even more) at indoor snowslope with the 184GS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dahl Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 If a plate would effectively soften the board that would be the right way to put it. More like it changes how you can pressure the nose, partly I think because of the height of the system. Can't wait to find out though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Couple things. Back to basics, I think we would all agree that narrowing your stance on a snowboard tends to increase it's flex under your pressure. (closer to the center = softer the flex) Widen the stance = stiffer. Add the relationship of the pressure from pivot to stance position (typically fixed at your normal 19-21cm) You start to see how the leverage of the plate and the position of the pivot will either make the board feel softer or firmer. Combos: Ahead/ behind front / back offsets differences Lots of options to blow your mind. Something that has not come up recently, Jacks photo of the Salmon reminded me to again throw this out. SNOW STIX. Can't wait to add them to the infinite mix. TNT Tinkler + Plate+ pivot/slider mech + Snow Stix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 TNT Tinkler + Plate+ pivot/slider mech + Snow Stix. + td3 sidewinders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Couple things. SNOW STIX. Can't wait to add them to the infinite mix. TNT Tinkler + Plate+ pivot/slider mech + Snow Stix. Bryan what do you say????? Are you gonna put a plate on top of your Tinkler full system? Okay, you must have trained your muscles a lot this summer then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Couple things. Back to basics, I think we would all agree that narrowing your stance on a snowboard tends to increase it's flex under your pressure. (closer to the center = softer the flex) Widen the stance = stiffer. Add the relationship of the pressure from pivot to stance position (typically fixed at your normal 19-21cm) You start to see how the leverage of the plate and the position of the pivot will either make the board feel softer or firmer. Combos Ahead/ behind front / back offsets differences Lot of options to blow your mind. Something that has not come up recently, Jacks photo of the Salmon reminded me to again throw this out. SNOW STIX. Can't wait to add them to the infinite mix. TNT Tinkler + Plate + Snow Stix. Quicky drawing to help display concept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 + td3 sidewinders Only on my back foot. No REALLY! Front-TD3 SI (with TD2 Cant)/ Back-TD3 SW SI (custom) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Bryan what do you say?????Are you gonna put a plate on top of your Tinkler full system? Yes, sort of Okay, you must have trained your muscles a lot this summer then....No, just added weight Yes, the board Mike is building me this season will take all these things into account. Flex of the plate Camber of plate preloading of plate Flex initiation of the TNT design Position of pivot/sliders Position of snow stix and there placement on the board/plate. Boot height off the snow (very important to me) Should be good fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Quick Sketch Feel free to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dahl Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Tune the flex of the BOARD in the area used. Totally different from freeing up the natural flex of the board underfoot, and of course rider isolation. Pretty soon we will all need to take the slide rule to the slopes! Or our laptops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Pretty soon we will all need to take the slide rule to the slopes! Or our laptops!or someone will make an android/iphone app for it .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Tune the flex of the BOARD in the area used. Totally different from freeing up the natural flex of the board underfoot, and of course rider isolation. Pretty soon we will all need to take the slide rule to the slopes! Or our laptops! Progression. It is using things we tried, refined, then combining them with other systems that are also deemed of value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Plates can also make it possible to ride a narrower board than you normally could. The deck height adds clearance. Suddenly that Virus of ACE's (he is selling) isn't beyond my boot size?? Low ball offer already made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 or someone will make an android/iphone app for it .. I wish they would , bluetooth connection, make tunning changes will on the chair!! May not be that far away. ;) :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I would love to see a list of the heights of each of these plates. I, like Bryan, do not like it when the feet get *too* far off the board. I personally found the Apex w/ F2's completely comfortable in this manner, the Apex + Sidewinder felt borderline high, and a Hangl + TD3 felt high. (That's all my data points... sorry, not all combinations were tried since both plates were borrowed) Anyone got some numbers? Mainly just looking for how much adding each given plate to a board raises the binding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I would love to see a list of the heights of each of these plates. I, like Bryan, do not like it when the feet get *too* far off the board. I personally found the Apex w/ F2's completely comfortable in this manner, the Apex + Sidewinder felt borderline high, and a Hangl + TD3 felt high. (That's all my data points... sorry, not all combinations were tried since both plates were borrowed) Anyone got some numbers? Mainly just looking for how much adding each given plate to a board raises the binding. Happy to add this to the list. Reporting method should be standardized. I.E Top of board to top of plate. Example. This gets a bit tricky as plates and mechanisms are changing. I believe that the higher the angle of the bindings the more influence the plate height has. Simple leverage. I run very high angles, I think that is one reason I notice it perhaps more than others with low angles? Integrated bindings/plates are, or will be, part of the evolution/solution. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 Thought I'd put this in the plate thread (as well as OT) as it's relevant.Apparently Fischer came out with it about four years ago. Google turns up nothing for the US. Looks like there are sliding hinges at both ends, with the center fixed, but able to rise upwards as the ski flexes. Also some springs to dampen the movement. <object width="480" height="385">Interesting in that it is a very different mechanical approach to the same problem. SunSurfer <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJGiyYGDRU?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></object> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I just found this picture on the net. The price is considerably higher than the Vist plate (Vist is around 300 Euro (420 dollars) in Europe, the Kessler plate is around 450 Euro (630 dollars)). By the way, many pros are still using the Vist system (or a similar one) - it can´t be that "oldschool" ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc-alex Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I just found this picture on the net. The price is considerably higher than the Vist plate (Vist is around 300 Euro (420 dollars) in Europe, the Kessler plate is around 450 Euro (630 dollars)).By the way, many pros are still using the Vist system (or a similar one) - it can´t be that "oldschool" ... Gerald, I have seen many of this plates yesterday at the WorldCup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 mc-alex, do you mean the Kessler Plate itself or this kind of plate in general (Vist, Italian plate by Renzler, etc.)? Which plate system did Prommegger use yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc-alex Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 The Kessler-Plate. I mean Andi have you a Apex-Comp but I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhD Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Does anybody make a decent isolation plate for my Wii yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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