lonbordin Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 ...but the skeg is holding back my progression in the snow... I think I need to try some heli-boarding. Who's going to sponsor my research?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gus Posted December 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 b0ardski - Defining style is like grabbing a handful of water and expecting to hold onto it. Nice I like that. surfers can carve, but carvers can't surf? - I know surfer who can't surf, but they look like they can rip. carvers surfing that's what I am looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gus Posted December 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 ...but the skeg is holding back my progression in the snow... I think I need to try some heli-boarding. Who's going to sponsor my research?! what kind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Doug Haut 9'6" I don't get to ride that one as often as I live in South-Central Indiana. But I have a 9'6" Harbor Banana Bisect in the garage that travels with me quite frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I ride with an old school big wave surfer its all in the board selection. He is partial to Dupraz and the legend autodrive. its also probably surfier in softies. I ride a 4807 on the days I am feeling surfy. the fishtail feels like a fin in the right snow conditions. usually the days its just a little to soft for hardbooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 hows this one look? <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ2wQJPLhDg&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ2wQJPLhDg&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'd sure like to try that board on that hill in those conditions... looks like a blast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'd like to try a super swede on any hill in any conditions:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well I ride with a bunch of Hawaiians from time to time, and I think their style is kind of surfy, although they're much better wave riders than me. This is all back-country powder mind. The original CERN definitions weren't related to surf; it was just the different teaching approaches of the ESF and the Swiss people. The French guys did call early snowboarding "surf", although I've seen that much less in modern times. Personally I find all that stylistic "diving for the snow" stuff bears zero relation to surf, but perhaps I'm riding the wrong waves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I think what could define something as surfstyle is the way you carve your board. Checkout this heelside bottomturn in Pipeline and compare to the Pure Carve style and you see many similarities. And also how you use the terrain when it´s got the right features - banks, rollers, natural halpipes etc etc. - hitting them and using them to crank turns and get more speed and lay out lower carves. Cliff Ahumadas videos from the 90's is great examples of this. A lot of stylish surfstyle riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Personally I find all that stylistic "diving for the snow" stuff bears zero relation to surf, but perhaps I'm riding the wrong waves. EC (throwing your body horizontal & popping backup) is definitely not "surfy" I think what could define something as surfstyle is the way you carve your board. Checkout this heelside bottomturn in Pipeline and compare to the Pure Carve style and you see many similarities. And also how you use the terrain when it´s got the right features - banks, rollers, natural halpipes etc etc. - hitting them and using them to crank turns and get more speed and lay out lower carves. Mats nailed it here. I'm not trying to make any claims on sufers territory, and locked into plate binders will never feel like floating in the ocean but I'd bet a 6'6" dupraz noboarding in 2' of med. density snow with rollers and banks would convert any surfer to snowboarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gus Posted December 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Thats what I was looking for. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Great inspiration! Charlie don´t surf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheman0177 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 hows this one look?<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ2wQJPLhDg&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ2wQJPLhDg&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object> Yeah I was going to suggest Mats from Alpinepunk too. He's got a really surfy style and his boards are designed for just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I asked a few friends if I was a "carver" or a "snow surfer" after they watched a few videos and they all unanimously said in unison outloud "SURFER!" in review of a few surfing videos and also a few snowboarding and wake boarding ones of myself versus some pics and snowboarding videos.... yeah... (grumble)... I have wrestled with trying to define my own personal "unique" style and apparently do fit this sort of style afterall.... not sure if thats a good thing or a badthing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Handful of water:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I like to surf the white wave. I don't care who says snow isn't surfing, I surf depending on my mood, for sure. When I turn off of terrain features or bank shot off of a pile of snow that feels like a surf turn. I even think about runs as having a heelside bottom turn or toe side bottom turn, or breaking left or right. Feels so good. But no I have never surf in the ocean except in my kayak, which was really fun until I pearled, the nose of kayak hit the sand, and then my head. So much sand in my ears for a week. Kind of rang my bell too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terekhov Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 most definitive surf-style snowboarding - not carving - for me is gerry lopez little segment in this year's warren miller children of winter video. so-so film in other ways though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kinnear Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Beautiful shots of some of the most classic carvers ever. I remember loaning Joey Cabell my snowboard during a race at Buttermilk in the mid-90s. I had Burton bindings that don't need tools to adjust so he could cram his ski boots into them. Joey disappeared for a couple of hours and I was wondering if he was ever coming back. That was the beginning of the Buttermilk freecarving movement as far as I know started by Joey and then boosted by all the younger surfers, notably Cliff Ahumada who cranked up Pure Carve and made the earliest videos of surf carving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Beautiful shots of some of the most classic carvers ever. I remember loaning Joey Cabell my snowboard during a race at Buttermilk in the mid-90s. I had Burton bindings that don't need tools to adjust so he could cram his ski boots into them. Joey disappeared for a couple of hours and I was wondering if he was ever coming back. That was the beginning of the Buttermilk freecarving movement as far as I know started by Joey and then boosted by all the younger surfers, notably Cliff Ahumada who cranked up Pure Carve and made the earliest videos of surf carving. Hey Kevin - welcome to Bomber. Good to see you here my man. You guys published some photos of mine when there used to be some diversity in snowboard mags. I do miss Snowboard Life. Real name: Jerry Hadam, photographer in Sun Valley. Again Welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kinnear Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Great to hear from you. It was a lot more interesting when every form of snowboarding was taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 ... You can't say you've surfed snow. Maybe you've "strap surfed" snow, but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Great to hear from you. It was a lot more interesting when every form of snowboarding was taken seriously. It's an honor, a big welcome to BOL Kevin!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Beautiful shots of some of the most classic carvers ever. I remember loaning Joey Cabell my snowboard during a race at Buttermilk in the mid-90s. I had Burton bindings that don't need tools to adjust so he could cram his ski boots into them. Joey disappeared for a couple of hours and I was wondering if he was ever coming back. That was the beginning of the Buttermilk freecarving movement as far as I know started by Joey and then boosted by all the younger surfers, notably Cliff Ahumada who cranked up Pure Carve and made the earliest videos of surf carving. As far as the Aspen area... It started in Aspen at Highlands 84/85 and then when Buttermilk opened to Snowboarding in the 85/86 season...:) There were no HB's or Alpine boards at Milk till 86/87 that I recall...Cliff and the Pure Carve Stoke he created peaked in the Mid Nineties to 2001 or so I call the age of camelot for Carving at Milk and Yes Joey, was and is a major influence in the Carving done at Milk both then and now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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