boostertwo Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Originally posted in the 'Race to the Cup Info' thread. PSL: <center> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://blip.tv/scripts/pokkariPlayer.js?ver=2008010901"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://blip.tv/syndication/write_player?skin=js&posts_id=1499329&source=3&autoplay=true&file_type=wmv&player_width=640&player_height=480"></script> <div id="blip_movie_content_1499329"> <a rel="enclosure" href="http://blip.tv/file/get/Snowfun4you-JaseyJayAndresonCopperRTTCSlalomFinals998.wmv" onclick="play_blip_movie_1499329(); return false;"><img title="Click to play" alt="Video thumbnail. Click to play" width="640" height="480" src="http://blip.tv/file/get/Snowfun4you-JaseyJayAndresonCopperRTTCSlalomFinals998.wmv.jpg" border="0" title="Click to play" /></a> <br /> <a rel="enclosure" href="http://blip.tv/file/get/Snowfun4you-JaseyJayAndresonCopperRTTCSlalomFinals998.wmv" onclick="play_blip_movie_1499329(); return false;">Click to play. 2x click for full screen.</a> </div> </center>and PGS: <center> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://blip.tv/scripts/pokkariPlayer.js?ver=2008010901"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://blip.tv/syndication/write_player?skin=js&posts_id=1494624&source=3&autoplay=true&file_type=wmv&player_width=640&player_height=480"></script> <div id="blip_movie_content_1494624"> <a rel="enclosure" href="http://blip.tv/file/get/Snowfun4you-JaseyJayAndersonWinsCopperRTTC459.wmv" onclick="play_blip_movie_1494624(); return false;"><img title="Click to play" alt="Jasey Jay Anderson Copper Race to the Cup PGS finals." width="640" height="480" src="http://blip.tv/file/get/Snowfun4you-JaseyJayAndersonWinsCopperRTTC459.wmv.jpg" border="0" title="Click to play" /></a> <br /> <a rel="enclosure" href="http://blip.tv/file/get/Snowfun4you-JaseyJayAndersonWinsCopperRTTC459.wmv" onclick="play_blip_movie_1494624(); return false;">Click to play. 2x click on video for full screen.</a> </div> </center> Hope the snow is good where you are! B-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow 15 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Who say's racing has nothing to do with free carving? It looks to me that JJ Anderson is sticking in a nice bit of euro-carving around gate ten. Nice footage Boostertwo:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I would call that a nice recovery, he lost a lot of speed and distance with that save but at least he finished the race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkaholic Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I was at the event watching and Jasey is one of if not the most exciting rider to watch. He recovers mistakes that would put most racers out of the event and he does it with such beautiful moves like that EC. Earlier in the rounds he "aired" out a toe side landing in an EC and made the next gate. His body was horizontal to the hill and about 2' off. He was able to still go fast enough to beat his opponent and make it to the finals. And to top it all off he is a very cool, nice guy. Way to go Jasey! Ink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 He is so fluid, such and amazing rider. Too bad they no longer have true single GS any more. He ripped those larger turns with even more finesse and power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I know it's been said before but I really think Snowboard racing needs a Super G, similar rules to skiing no practice just a walk down and maybe best of 2 runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkaholic Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Gecko, If they did hold an SG, Ian Price and Mark Fawcett would both probably come out of retirement to clean house on everyone. If memory serves me well, and it may not, those two were the only winners of the SG at the US Open before alpine got the axe from that event. I remember at one of them Ian burned a hole in his glove and blistered his hand after a brief hand touch to the snow on a heelside turn on his winning run. Ink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlalomSkater87 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 This video is sick. That slide out and recovery was unreal, nice work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor VonRippington Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Great footage B2! Like the K&D soundtrack Would like to have a closer look at his setup... those cant/lift/block thingies stacked on top of the riser/shock absorber/wing dealies look pretty gnarly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCrobar Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Thanks Booster JJ is a bionic super man, just watching the video made my legs burn and heart start banging! I love watching slalom, the slow motion PSL recoveries, toe and heel side, are unreal! Thanks again for posting the videos. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotbeans Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Great video! Could you guys comment on a couple of my observations on what I see Jasey doing that seems to conflict with some of the advice here on bol.. --keeping shoulders parallel to slope: I took a straight edge to his shoulders and noticed that he's diving towards the edge that he wants to hook up, leading with the hand. So, coming across the fall line, he'd actually be dropping uphill shoulder until he's ready for another transition. ? --"pinching" at the waist: If I take a straight edge to his medial line, he centers his body over the board. Matter of fact, I don't even see much hip/torso angulation at all... only fore/aft to get low or to neutral position. Again, I'm sure I'm overanalyzing, but that's how I learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyzcanuck Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Could you guys comment on a couple of my observations on what I see Jasey doing that seems to conflict with some of the advice here on bol.. One of my favourite quotes comes from The Carver's Almanac: "In carving, there are more opinions than there are facts." Much of the advice you've been reading or receiving isn't necessarily practiced 100% of the time by those giving it to you. It's not always necessary to keep your shoulders level with the horizon. It's not always necessary to angulate the body at the waist. (By the way, those two things are actually the same body position in my opinion. You can't have one without the other.) However, practicing that body position (exaggerated angulation) will help your muscles learn the necessary transition motions that you need for carving. Many accomplished carvers simply don't bother with that angulation when it isn't absolutely necessary but, they will certainly be able to draw upon the skill when presented with riding (snow) conditions that require it. Go take a look at the 271 photos HERE. I think you'll find more than a few of your 'preachers' NOT practicing what they preach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotbeans Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I'm making an assumption that the techniques in question are useful on ice/steeps? That'd explain why I'm having difficulty with those.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyzcanuck Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Yes, the firmer the snow base... the more important body angulation becomes. Not necessarily true for steeper slopes. For that, I think timing is more important than proper angulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywhit Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I just saw that vid for the first time last night and WOW JJA is just insane thru that course ! maybe not the prettiest form or fastest lines but just SO Aggro and the recovery from a few close calls....Wow ! The guy is a BEAST just KILLING IT on that Kessler. Thanks for posting, B2 and top notch editting edit....watched it again, it won't go full screen on my iMac, any suggestions ? that vid needs to go on vimeo, or even youtube HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Great video! Could you guys comment on a couple of my observations on what I see Jasey doing that seems to conflict with some of the advice here on bol.. --keeping shoulders parallel to slope: I took a straight edge to his shoulders and noticed that he's diving towards the edge that he wants to hook up, leading with the hand. So, coming across the fall line, he'd actually be dropping uphill shoulder until he's ready for another transition. ? --"pinching" at the waist: If I take a straight edge to his medial line, he centers his body over the board. Matter of fact, I don't even see much hip/torso angulation at all... only fore/aft to get low or to neutral position. Again, I'm sure I'm overanalyzing, but that's how I learn. In addition to yyz's comments, I'll add one more thing. Freecarving is not Racing. the fastest line through a race course is not one with curve after curve of perfectly formed arcs. In freecarving, part of the objective is to control your speed by locking into the carve and staaying locked in through the turn until you are at or even beyond a line perpendicular to the fall line. If you were to lock in like this in a race, you would lose speed rapidly, and you would not be competitive. Most of the advice you will receive here relates to freecarving technique, and should not be considered in regards to racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywhit Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 In addition to yyz's comments, I'll add one more thing. Freecarving is not Racing. the fastest line through a race course is not one with curve after curve of perfectly formed arcs. In freecarving, part of the objective is to control your speed by locking into the carve and staaying locked in through the turn until you are at or even beyond a line perpendicular to the fall line. If you were to lock in like this in a race, you would lose speed rapidly, and you would not be competitive. Most of the advice you will receive here relates to freecarving technique, and should not be considered in regards to racing. so, freecarving is to ice dancing as racing is to hockey ? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laCYIJulP3M&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laCYIJulP3M&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> or <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBh_k2ieM84&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBh_k2ieM84&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> versus <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZlBcIKf_-k&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZlBcIKf_-k&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> or <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgPfQ-wfWWA&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgPfQ-wfWWA&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywhit Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I found this, nice concise description: Racing vs. Carving There are a few differences between carving and racing: http://www.alpinecarving.com/racing.html Carvers finish their turns but racers don't. Carvers make complete half-circles, which would be too wide for a race course. Racers make turns that are more elongated in the direction of the fall line, and change edges before the board becomes perpendicular to the fall line. This difference is the primary reason why carving technique is different from racing technique. If you tried to carve on a PGS course, you would probably encroach on your neighbor. Racers minimize their body movement to follow the fastest line down a course, but carvers apply exaggerated movements. Carvers often rotate their torso into the slope ahead of the long axis of the board on each turn to carve half-circles, whereas racers typically keep their torso facing a direction between the angle of their bindings and the long axis of the board to avoid over-rotation. Carvers never skid, but the winning racer will always skid. Racers often skid or glide flat on the board, especially at the beginning of each turn. Racers try to be as fast as possible, whereas many carving styles often result in the slowest possible speed down the fall line. Carvers can tip the board high on edge and carve tight radius turns, which generates a centripetal force that counteracts gravity and bleeds off speed. As you get better at carving, your technique will result in slower speeds, which will require you to move to steeper and steeper terrain to maintain sufficient speed to get the board to carve. Carvers are often anti-competitive. The idea is to express yourself rather than compete. On the other hand, there is a ski carving competition sanctioned by the FIS. Skiers turn around buoys and are rated on carving skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotbeans Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 ww: Hmm. That opened my eyes and brain a bit. thanks for the info/link on that. The "carving for expression" bit I'll have to work on. (I'm sure this is directly related to my lack of technique and love of speed.). I've been reeeallly having fun working on going mach 5 and still having that precise edge control. I've been working on catching air off of rollers while keeping an aggressive position while transitioning into the next carve. I dont think about much of anything other than feeling the flow and how many g's can I pull before an edge blows out..and trying not to go too far over that line next time. Could I just add some bling to my jacket and call it good?:) I admit it. I need to work on my CARVING techinque--I suppose the 'style' will fall into place after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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