maxlean Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Ok, having sold a few of my boards and having everyone ask about the board's "camber." I realized a) I never thought about camber and b) don't really know what camber does for a carving board. Also, I'm curious about what causes a board to lose camber. My 2003 Donek FC 1 is my most heavily used board and has 1/4 " of camber. My newer, 2005 Donek FC 182 (Jaybird) not only has no camber, but actually turns up a bit in the nose. What gives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 camber is the curve in the board - when you rest it flat on the base with nothing on top, it is how far the base is from the ground at the waist. this is built into the board either by milling the core in a cambered shape, or bending the core into shape. The camber will break down over the years, at different rates depending on core material and use. So, when people ask you about it, they are trying to determine how used/abused the board is... What camber does for a carving board...as you initiate the turn, it helps set the nose into the snow. It also acts like pre-load in a shock absorber - the board is already stressed when flat, which eliminates chatter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_roboteye Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Good answer tex. Camber, in concert with board stiffness (resistance to deflection) plays a vital role in distributing your weight evenly (or unevenly by design) along the effective edge of a board. A board that has lost all it's camber will ride "dead" and tend to not hold an edge as well, compared to when it was new. later, Dave R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Camber and new mordern (race) boards with rocker is another story :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUD Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Good answer tex. Camber, in concert with board stiffness (resistance to deflection) plays a vital role in distributing your weight evenly (or unevenly by design) along the effective edge of a board. A board that has lost all it's camber will ride "dead" and tend to not hold an edge as well, compared to when it was new.later, Dave R. What he said..... I will add, the two primary variables relating pressure distribution and camber are the core profile and the torsional stiffness. There are others, but those are the main ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 You can drudge through this masterpiece: http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=21447 and, as usual see the widely varying opinions on BOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_roboteye Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 You can drudge through this masterpiece:http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=21447 and, as usual see the widely varying opinions on BOL. I actually read that whole thing, and all I've got to say is. "Some people get it, and some people don't" later, Dave R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Well I'll keep it clean.. but Marilyn Cambers was a porn star in the late 70's early 80's when they didn't know how to shave a beav... can you imagine....ick!! Right said Shred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Also, I'm curious about what causes a board to lose camber. My 2003 Donek FC 1 is my most heavily used board and has 1/4 " of camber. My newer, 2005 Donek FC 182 (Jaybird) not only has no camber, but actually turns up a bit in the nose. What gives? It sounds like your JBird's core is broken or delaminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor VonRippington Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 OK3 boards 1 has no camber 1 has no flex 1 has no sidecut which one are you going to try and ride?:rolleyes: Good one SBS... first post in a long while that activated my brain for more than a few seconds(besides the mega quiver sale from Greece) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_roboteye Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 OK3 boards 1 has no camber 1 has no flex 1 has no sidecut which one are you going to try and ride?:rolleyes: I'll ride any of them......................................in powder. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 OK3 boards 1 has no camber 1 has no flex 1 has no sidecut which one are you going to try and ride?:rolleyes: That describes one board, not 3 1990 Kemper Screamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 No camber with good flex and sidecut-- anywhere, any condition. No flex with good sidecut and camber-- too soft flex, powder/fresh only; too stiff flex ice or useless. No sidecut with good flex and camber-- straightlineing big powder fields, what a waste:nono: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEJ Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Right on SBS, waaaay ahead of you time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfinsmiley Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 OK, I understand camber. BUT, I have no idea about the new boards with ROCKER!!! (The diametric opposite of camber). How the hell does that work in the snow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 OK, I understand camber. BUT, I have no idea about the new boards with ROCKER!!! (The diametric opposite of camber). How the hell does that work in the snow? Mostly for powder or in combination with camber for race boards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEJ Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Camber + rocker for race boards? Now I'm really confused. Love to see one of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 well whatever you want to call that front end thing that they have going on...maybe rocker isn't the right word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfinsmiley Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I know these are far from race boards but it`s the only example of rocker I can find right now.... http://www.lib-tech.com/banana/ What`s up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUD Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 well whatever you want to call that front end thing that they have going on...maybe rocker isn't the right word I think they have been calling it "de-cambering". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEJ Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Makes no sense to me. Rocker would eliminate pressure at the tip and tail. Camber, along with stiffness, etc, is what creates pressure at the tip and tail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEJ Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Rocker works well in watersports. It's needed. Surfing, waterskis, wakeboards, kiteboards, but I don't see the benefit on the snow. How often do you ride the old Performer Elite? Do you consider it state of the art technology? My old Simms Blade had a convex base also, doesn't mean it's a good thing today. Ground through the base trying to flatten it. Not trying to slam you Buddy, but we're talking about CURRENT technology. I don't understand how taking the pressure off the tip and tail is a good thing? Barrel staves sounds cool though, glue a couple together, mount some bindings, and we could have our own rockered snowboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I'm sure this will sound like heresy to plenty of people, but so be it: I think it's one of the least significant variables in snowboard design. I've ridden a few boards to the point where they had no camber left. (I suspect that moguls are really effective at killing camber.) Each time, I was surprised when I noticed they had no camber, because they still rode well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfinsmiley Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 ........ but so be it: I think it's one of the least significant variables in snowboard design. I`m inclined to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_roboteye Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 IMHOKids have been using barrel staves to ski around on for a hundred years. Surfboards have rocker or reverse camber? Lib techs banana works great with rocker or reverse camber. The fact is you can snowboard real good with rocker or reverse camber My old performer elite 150 in the shed has rocker or reverse camber not just front to back but also from side to side. OK, we all get the point that you're not on board (ha-ha) with the camber bandwagon. But some of the posts that you've made in the past just make me laugh out loud because you just aren't on the same page. Yes, any skin tube peckerhead wannabe carvergod trench melting adonis canyon digging hatchet wielding lumberjack valleyhollower can ride a f**king snowboard without a monkeys' balls worth of camber, but it's not going to ride nearly as good as it would be with an a**load of camber. In your case I guess ignorance truly is bliss, because you're here on your soap box trying to preach to us that camber just doesn't matter. So I guess that the five of us posting and the twenty or so of us watching (silently) are wrong? You need some rectal optometry to get your head out of your anus. If you're the only one promulgating your position on the issue, how could you possibly be right? So all of us (who actually ride hardboots) are wrong and you know better? During your next bowl smoking session see if you can reach your keyboard and post something that comes off as reasonably relevant and not from left, left, left field. Don't bother quoting and posting, I'm unsubscribed from this horrendously irretrievably tainted ******************* thread. (somebody please quote my ranting bullsh*t in your sig and make me proud.) Do you guys think I should get drunk to celebrate my 300th? Oh never mind, I'm unsubscribed from this one......................bitcheeeeeeessssssssssss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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