3 strap bindings

[photodad2001]

I know they don't make them anymore, but I always wanted to try the 3 strap bindings. I'm sure some of you on here MUST have had a pair at some point. Just wanted to know what they were like. Thinking about converting a pair of 2 strap bindings into 3, any creative ideas? I'm probably just going to take an extra strap and drill a couple hole in the highback.

[trikerdad]

My first bindings were Burton Flex. I loved them. I was carving my second week by just bending and straightening my legs, it didn't take a lot of shin and calf muscle strength. My son learned on them when he was home on leave during Desert Storm and was carving on his third run. I think thier lastest model are called Torque.

[cail]

there's a pair for sale here... http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=19195

i never had a pair, but Dave ESPI has only said good things about his.

[photodad2001]

there's a pair for sale here... http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=19195

i never had a pair, but Dave ESPI has only said good things about his.

The base is a Medium and I need at least a Large. Would the highbacks mount to a burton large base of a different year?

[inkaholic]

I know they don't make them anymore, but I always wanted to try the 3 strap bindings. I'm sure some of you on here MUST have had a pair at some point. Just wanted to know what they were like. Thinking about converting a pair of 2 strap bindings into 3, any creative ideas? I'm probably just going to take an extra strap and drill a couple hole in the highback.

Don't forget to attach the highback to the heel loop so that it doesn't just fold forward as you go toeside. If that happens you won't receive as much of the benefits you are looking for.

Ink

[cail]

The base is a Medium and I need at least a Large. Would the highbacks mount to a burton large base of a different year?

i would hope so, but i honestly dont know. i think someone else in that thread said he had a pair of larges he'd sell.

[bobdea]

really, you are not missing much, there are allot of people here that will argue it but if the catek fr or nidecker 900 is not enough you should probably be on plates

[photodad2001]

I just can't get myself to wear hardboots. I think in the back of my mind I'm thinking it's just getting me another step closer to skiing and wearing spandex.

[Slim]

This auction includes a pair of older Burton 'Flex' bindings, plus a vintage PJ to boot.

Search 'vintage bindings' and you'll likely find what you're looking for.

<img src="http://i27.tinypic.com/10qkvmp.jpg" border="0" alt="Big snow in the Co. Rockies--over 16 feet since December!">

Personally, when riding softies I like newer two-strappers over vintage three strap binders. IMO they offer better ROM and surfy feel on deep days.

S l i m

[Rik Fromdahl]

i have a pair of '96 burton "system bindings and love them for deep powder days. i ride with the forward lean maxed out and the highback buckles unclipped, because they wont STAY clipped anymore. anyway even unclipped there is more support than a regular 2 strap binding, imo.

[utahcarver]

Like Rik, I've got the 'B' System with the 3 straps. They are a bit small for contemporary snowboard boots. Also, the straps utilize a 2-step lock down buckle. A lot of work for a little bit of extra support. For your needs, Photodad, I'd recommend an experiment: Buy a pair of booster straps from BOL. What? $25 bucks?

I've been using them on a pair of Northwave Threes (in some old Burton Freestyles) for 11 consecutive powder days and they approximate (if not perform better) what the old 3 strappers used to do. Plus, when I really do want to pressure my toeside turns, the Booster straps give me the support that the 3 straps used to but without overdriving the edge. Admittedly, my experience with the Booster straps has only been in deep, soft snow. But, on some of the groomers I've used to access the soft stuff, I've had plenty of support from the straps.

This may not be the answer you are looking for but, the Booster has helped me ride supported in softies for over 10 days on the hill.

Mark

[bobdea]

I just can't get myself to wear hardboots. I think in the back of my mind I'm thinking it's just getting me another step closer to skiing and wearing spandex.

then why the **** do you post on this forum?

http://snowboard.colonies.com/pages/main/home.aspx is better suited for that attitude

three strap bindings are not worth your time because they rob you of the advantages of both hard boots and softboots.

I'm gonna go put on my skis and spandex now

[Derf]

then why the **** do you post on this forum?

http://snowboard.colonies.com/pages/main/home.aspx is better suited for that attitude

three strap bindings are not worth your time because they rob you of the advantages of both hard boots and softboots.

I'm gonna go put on my skis and spandex now

Because on top of the page, it says Bomber Carving Community and not Bomber Hardboot Community.

[photodad2001]

then why the **** do you post on this forum?

Think I hit a nerve. I'm into EC and going fast for the fun of it, not racing or competition and I believe that this forum welcomes EC riders. Was it the spandex comment? It's just not for me... not that there's anything wrong with that.:lol:

[bobdea]

Think I hit a nerve. I'm into EC and going fast for the fun of it, not racing or competition and I believe that this forum welcomes EC riders. Was it the spandex comment? It's just not for me... not that there's anything wrong with that.:lol:

you didn't hit a nerve you just came out as saying hardboots are gay and that's fine but it's like saying you don't like leather and ball gags and they're for fags but you post on this forum http://bondage.com/forum_id/30/forums/forum.html that site is ever so slightly NSFW (EDIT: FOR THOSE OF YOU AT WORK, THE LINK BRINGS YOU TO A SITE THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT NAUGHTY THINGS)

"I'm into EC and going fast" but hard boots are gay so you're gonna cripple yourself with softboots. fine, but there are other sites that will cater to your needs much better than this one.

[willywhit]

maybe try hitting the EJECT button, just to make sure it works

http://www.boatechnology.com/

http://usa.flow.com/bindings/men/nxt-at.html

[photodad2001]

you didn't hit a nerve you just came out as saying hardboots are gay and that's fine but it's like saying you don't like leather and ball gags and they're for fags but you post on this forum http://bondage.com/forum_id/30/forums/forum.html that site is ever so slightly NSFW.

I see in your profile you have "manwhore" listed as occupation. Is this a work site? Also, what's NSFW? I went to 3 different cyber abbreveation web sites and couldn't find it. JTILYKIDUWYWS (just thought I'd let you know I didn't know what you were saying)

[willywhit]

Also, what's NSFW? I went to 3 different cyber abbreveation web sites and couldn't find it. JTILYKIDUWYWS (just thought I'd let you know I didn't know what you were saying)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSFW

lay off the corn liquor:smashfrea

http://www.chow.com/stories/10475

Google turned up this

http://bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=9207

[photodad2001]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSFW

lay off the corn liquor:smashfrea

http://www.chow.com/stories/10475

Google turned up this

http://bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=9207

Well, that's just not very Christian is it?!!!

[BlueB]

Hey Bob, easy on newb, now.

Dad, I somewhat aggree with Bob, not very polite giving fag attributes to hard gear while you are at predominantly h/booters site... Especially when new and seeking some advice.

After all, we are CARVING comunity, so yes, we often talk s/boots, EC, and all sorts of funny things, flame wars included, just like the one that's braking out right here ;) Maybe drop the gloves and back to toppic.

I ride 3-strap Burtons when I teach, but not because I love them much. It's just that management won't let me teach begginers on h/boots, so the 3-strap binding was the next best thing for me. They give a lot more power on higher angles (lateral support) and better toe sides with flatter angles. Kinda pain in the neck to deal with all these straps and old style buckles. Highback to base interface sucs too.

I also ride Burton Driver, which is on your shortlist, too. I stiffened them further with tongues from old Raichle h/boots, so I'm approaching now the level of stiffness I want.

I'm planning to ad some risers too.

The only conditions where I prefer this setup to hard gear is steep soft mogguls and tree riding. The advantages I get are just not worth the foot pain I have to sustain.

My next experiment will be Switch step-in Vans, very stiff boot with stiff interface. It might prove easier for teaching.

Some people here sware by Rosi/Emery step ins as the stiffest binding/boot combo.

For what you like doing, you would be somewhat crippling yourself by choosing soft gear. H/boots and bindings can be selected / tuned to have all the flex that majority of EC riders like. And the ride would be way more powerfull and comfortable then on softies. Give it a shot if you could land a setup from someone, for few days. You might like it. Spandex is only optional ;)

Boris

[queequeg]

I tend to agree with BobDea and BlueB, you're posting on a site where 99.999% of the riders are hardbooters, asking for advice and then make a statement like "I just can't get myself to wear hardboots. I think in the back of my mind I'm thinking it's just getting me another step closer to skiing and wearing spandex."

What kind of encouragement were you expecting for that kind of statement?

The reason that three strap bindings died out is that they are a pointless cross breed. They lack the support advantages that hardboots provide for carving, while eliminating the ROM and ankle-twitch advantages that two strap bindings provide for pow and mid-air trickery. Three strap bindings take the all the disadvantages of both categories and none of the strengths. Plus they feature the inconvenience of taking forever to put on and take off (no step-in options and you have to buckle three instead of two straps).

If you would rather be in-style than ride equipment that will improve your game, the results will reflect your priorities.

[photodad2001]

Hey Bob, easy on newb, now.

Dad, I somewhat aggree with Bob, not very polite giving fag attributes to hard gear while you are at predominantly h/booters site... Especially when new and seeking some advice.

It was all in jest. (and "fag" was never implied by MY post... unless skiing and spandex imply that you like man on man action...) I make fun of duck footed, ultra-wide stanced, baggy pants down past their ass, coming down the hill looking like they just dropped a big stinky load, snowboarders too. We're all one big disfunctional family. But just cause your boots are stiff doesn't mean the attitude has to be a matching set. I mean spandex is funny.:D

" Kinda pain in the neck to deal with all these straps and old style buckles. Highback to base interface sucs too.

I also ride Burton Driver, which is on your shortlist, too. I stiffened them further with tongues from old Raichle h/boots, so I'm approaching now the level of stiffness I want."

My plan is to play Dr. Frankenstein and take a Burton SI binding base and merry it with the 3 strap binding highback... somehow, haven't got to that part yet. May just use an extra binding strap and bolt it to the highback. 3-2=1 sorta thing.

How'd you attach the tongues? I've riden a lot of burton boots but not the DriverX.

[lonerider]

My plan is to play Dr. Frankenstein and take a Burton SI binding base and merry it with the 3 strap binding highback... somehow, haven't got to that part yet. May just use an extra binding strap and bolt it to the highback. 3-2=1 sorta thing.

That sounds like just crazy talk... adding a strap to a strapless step-in binding but hey... it might work.

Like most people born less than half a century ago... I don't see the minor increase in support that 3-strap bindings give you as worth the hassle. A good modern binding (Nideckers, Catek Fr2, Flows), with good stiff boots, and good strong legs will work a lot better in my mind - just like a pair of trekking poles (while not as stable or supportive) will help you hike a lot better than a cane or a walker.

[photodad2001]

That sounds like just crazy talk... adding a strap to a strapless step-in binding but hey... it might work.

My logic... or lack of, is that the SI binding locks the sole of the boot (which is hard, doesn't flex) to the binding so there's no lift or play, so if I could get the boot and binding to merge together even more (3rd strap) then I could pick and choose when I wanted to use the 3rd strap and when I wanted to break loose. Part of my reasoning also comes from the lack of a quiver and trying to make what I have work for everything. I've riden the Rossi SIS and it was stiffer, less comfortable, but stiffer.

[lonerider]

My logic... or lack of, is that the SI binding locks the sole of the boot (which is hard, doesn't flex) to the binding so there's no lift or play, so if I could get the boot and binding to merge together even more (3rd strap) then I could pick and choose when I wanted to use the 3rd strap and when I wanted to break loose.

Right... but why do you want to merge the highback and the boot the first place?

To me (no expert), the purpose of the higback is to act as a lever on the board for heelside turns. For toeside turns, the power comes from the boot stiffness where the tongue of the boot act as the lever and the highback doesn't really come into play. This is why step-ins and hardboots don't require any straps at all... the stiff boot tongue is a more efficient means of transferring your energy to your toeside edge.