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[uku]

hello all,

I'm at the midpoint of my very first hardboot season and enjoying every moment of it. ok, maybe not twisting a knee, but apart from that.. a lot of fun.

but I have kinda odd question: how the hell do you stand up when sitting on the slope? the flatter the slope is the harder it is. after some days of carving my shoulders are really giving me pain as I have to raise myself up with my left arm only. step-by-step.

A solution is to turn myself on the stomach every time. But am I missing anything when trying to stand up from my ass? :p

[Jrobb]

I found when necessary to sit standing was easier if I pointed the nose down hill slightly. So if the board were say perpendicular to the slope, point the nose 45deg downhill. But other than that and the roll over, not much else aside from unbuckling.

J

[alexeyga]

I found it better for my knees to stand on the toeside edge, meaning stomach down... Trying to stand from "sitting on the butt" - position is bit like having sex while standing in a hammock... :D Imho...

[bjvircks]

I have found it impossible for me to get up heelside on the shallow slopes. I have a problem with too much weight accumulation at the waistline, limited flexability, combined with I usually ride with a pack on my back with its weight low also. I cannot 'throw' my mass far enough forward over a heel edge.

[domic78]

Have a look at the begining of this video. That's how I'm getting up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uEKQwF9i2Q

Dom

[Gecko]

Stepins

[domic78]

This is my old set-up. I still own it for that kind of snowboarding. It was in the Canadian rockies. Riding in bowls... hummm powder .

Now I'm riding KillerLoop 158 with F2 titanium.. totally different set-up and so much better....

[boostertwo]

Another option is not to sit down on the snow when you stop.

As you come to a stop, hop up and 'chop' a small, flat ledge in the snow. If the snow is soft, like you'll find on the sides of the trail, this is easy to do. If the snow is hard, it might take an extra chop or two. On hard snow it's usually easier to chop a ledge and balance on it standing toeside. You can also stop next to sturdy trees or fence posts and use them for additional balance and support to remain standing.

As you get comfortable with this move you'll find you rarely--if ever--flop down on the snow. Standing is more efficient (less energy spent hauling yourself up off the snow), drier (goodbye soggy-butt), and safer (more visible from above). It's also quicker, and with the time saved you might bank an extra run each day.

<img src="http://i19.tinypic.com/2exq8bb.jpg" border="0" alt="Crave2Carve, Vail, Co.">

IMO it's usually a better practice to stand rather than flop. Of course, if you crash the aforementioned techniques work well too.

[jdgang]

I do the same thing...roll over on my stomach...considering I have a small board 160 its not that hard to do....but I did (and this is the truth) torn my ACL while rolling over.

[Allee]

Go to the gym and ask one of the trainers to develop a core strength program for you. :)

[bjordnolf]

I completely straighten my legs and bend forward at the waist all that and then push myself up, I am certain that it looks awesome.

[Bullwings]

Aside from the rolling onto my stomach and getting up toeside, which is much easier, I do the following for standing on my heelside.

-dig my heel edge into the snow a bit

-rock forward and perform as much of a sit up as possible

-grab the toe edge of my board with my rear hand (right hand for regulars) and pull myself up

-and push off the snow (i'm assuming groomers and not powder) with my forward hand (left hand for regulars)

i do the later three in a single motion.

[Vahur]

Hi, Uku.

That's what I suggest: avoid flats.

If you have to sit and get up in really flats, then maybe it's easier to do it rear leg free and step in (or close bail in case of non-stepin bindings) while you are up and and standing or riding with slow speed.

But if you want to do it without freeing rear leg, then I've used grabbing method: grab your board with your rear hand from toeside (or should I say frontside? Nah, toeside was correct termin, I believe :D ) and push yourself up with your front hand. However, this doesn't work after lunch, as full stomach does not allow you to bend forward enough :D

Edit: Bullwings beat me with same advice...

[Przemek/Brooklyn]

hmmmm never have problem with that issue. But when i think about this: i tend not to sit on flats, i buckle my bindings while standing.

I would sugest middle level yoga twice a week. You can develope more stomac muscle strenght and flexibility

It will also make easier to do few things on the board (like a frontside edge grab while carving or even backside edge grab) and will protect you from injuries.

[bjvircks]

I would sugest middle level yoga twice a week. You can develope more stomac muscle strenght and flexibility. ....and will protect you from injuries.

VERY TRUE... But unfortunately, I've always had very poor flexibility in many of my joints. I can still remember 35 years ago when my track coaches would ridicule me during warmup stretching exercises for not trying hard enough. I've got fair strength and good durability, just no flexibility. ESPECIALLY in the hamstrings. AND SO... I've learned to gage slope and snow conditions to acertain if I'll be able to get up heelside. If I blow out of a carve and tumble I will try to end up on a toe edge before I come to a stop on a shallow slope.

At times my lack of hamstring flexibility combined with hardboot relative stiffness makes it very difficult to clamp the toe-bail when standing (sometimes impossible, like when boots are warm, binding is cold). I'd like to go to Intec, but use UPZ boots with DIN adapters to go back and forth between skis and boards.

Maybe I should check into whether my medical plan would cover a "Quads & Hams" transplant. :rolleyes: At the same time I could get a Lipo job on the spare tire!

[Przemek/Brooklyn]

Wwhole point of doing yoga is that you will build flexybility little by little. I thought i was the least flexable person on earth but just after few classes i felt a diffrence. Nice think about yoga is that nobody will make fun of you, unlike your coach.

[D-Sub]

add another vote for yoga. It will be very difficult at first. Mild to moderate "pain" and exhaustion, but man...after the first breakthrough...you'll feel awesome.

I havent done it in years, but I remember quite well how good I felt after the first few weeks. I shattered my forearm on a rock in 97 and had about 10% rearward flexibility in my wrist due to soft tissue damage (I didnt get sent to PT due to no insurance. That made me angry)...anyway...when I started the yoga I couldnt even force more than a slight bend in my wrist. With help from the instructor, but about the 3rd week in (again...some pain) I could bend it to a 90* angle just like the uninjured side)

add this to a feeling of well-being, overall body flexibility and core strength...there's really no reason NOT to do it.

oh..my golf swing got WAY better, too!

[Rusty]

I try and do the same thing if the snow is soft...just dig a little platform and wait for the rest of the crew to show up. Also helps incase one of your buddies (Big Mario) is going to bear down on you like a freight train and whitewash the hell out of ya!

Same thing for getting into the bindings after getting off the lift...I have old TD1 standards (I know, I know) and find digging a little platform for myself at the top of the run very helpful. If you do it in the right spot (someplace that won't get scraped off or groomed)you can use and improve your launching platform throughout the day or longer.

[D.T.]

As others have said, just roll over to your stomach and stand up.

Also helps incase one of your buddies (Big Mario) is going to bear down on you like a freight train and whitewash the hell out of ya!

No way he would ever do that. :D

[big mario]

moi??? , nevvver

+ another for toeside. I can get up heelside despite my girth, but why waste the energy? I tried yoga for a bit, but it made me a little edgy, surly, and quite possibly evil

mario

[bumpyride]

If you're on your heelside edge take it in steps.

1. Drive you knees forward.

2. Bend at the waist.

3. Put the uphill hand on the slope.

4. Slide your plentiful rear quarters over the center of the board as you push up with your arm.

5. Straighten out your knees.

The trick is to get your center of gravity over the center of the board facing the tip.

Do some situps and touch your toes, you old farts.

[bjvircks]

Do some situps and touch your toes, you old farts.

HEY BUDDY... them's fightin words!!!

[Guest needanswer]

0) you're sitting on the ground, make sure no ones coming toward you

1) lay down

2) pull knees toward chest, the board is off the ground.

3) grab left knee with left hand , right knee with right hand.

4) now you're in a ball position cradling your knees,

rock on your back, and butt off the snow

5) since your butt's heavy, it'll come back down with momentum to get body over the board

6) stand up when you feel you weight is over the board.

This technique uses your weight for momentum, so you don't need to have core strenght or be light. Just need balance when you stand up , so you don't do a face plant.

[Rob Stevens]

Don't ever sit on the snow.

Show a little self-respect, man!!

Look ahead for places to stop, where you can flatten a "pow shelf" as you ride in.

The stop and chop is a good one, but you'll need some skills to pull it off.

Standing up to put on your bindings is a good way to keep from gooning around on you ass, as well. You have already been told how to do that by Boostertwo.

Sitting is the last refuge of the weak... only you realize pretty fast that you're not saving any energy by doing it, that you don't completely use up when you try to stand.

Don't let the skiers have one up on you! First they get to use those great "pokey sticks", AND they can do a stand up stop. At least claim the stand up stop for your own.

[Pow]

I turn and face the snow, like im in the middle of a double armed heelside carve, and push up with both hands.