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"Edge angle to snow surface is irrelevant to edge hold" by itself is incorrect, and I agree. The picture does show how "angulation" compensating loss of edge hold with reducing edge angle by moving the center mass. Without proper angulation to place the center mass to create that downward vector, all force will result in paralleling with the slope, and no edge pressure applied. The inability to create that downward vector/force effectively in duck stance is what makes the heel side so difficult. Concur

Thanks to the internet, I too was watching a lot of youtube videos even in slow motion to reverse engineer their movement. I was missing a great deal before 2010. Imagine if we have more carving movies or trailers like carving plugin, installer, people could actually see how awesome hardboot carving is. From my personal experience: (if it is different than your, perhaps we can discuss the variable) It is a balance between wash out and boot out. As my boards gets wider without any overhang, wash out occur way more than boot out on hard condition. With about a cm overhang on heel side(boot overhang, GNU binding, no heel cup, I had my forward lean cranked way high..... knees comes out of the toe side edge a bit before the forward lean kicks in), I have not experience any boot out on hero days. Wash out now becomes the major curpit on hard day or with any less forward lean. on my NS EVO, with Salomon shadow fit binding (which the heel loop was very thin and high), I had about a few cm overhang on the heel loop if I remembered correctly. The snow touches the same boot and heel loop at the same Angle. I would boot out on hero or soft snow when I tilt it high, be it green, blue or black. On green, as I turn tighter and tighter on toe side, my heel side follow. Occasionally, heel side would boot out. On any thing steeper, my toe side was way tighter than my heel side, tipping it over anything exciting would boot out definitely on the first 2 turns heel side. With the underhang setup, heel side wash out carry a significant higher percentage than a success carve.

Thanks for clarifying "angulation" http://beckmannag.com/softboot-snowboard/instruction/05teaching-modulesdecriptions/220-inclination-and-angulation what i was referring to was board angle related to the slope or ground: In "Duck" stance: -Toe side, high edge angle can be achieved easily by bending knees. Assuming the angle is 90 degree between foot and lower leg, without inclination a 90 degree edge angle can easily be achieved by bending the knee with the lower leg parallel to the ground or slope with the center of mass over the board. Any upward movement would then translate to downward pressure, thus pressuring the edge downward. -However, even with highback "forward lean" set at 45 degree (even at 45 degree, our ankle would prevent us from bending this far without sprain (yes, we are on the same page here)), without any inclination (crucial in riding hard condition), high edge angle could not be achieved due to bio-mechanism, thus resulting less edge pressure on hard surface. ---- (in order to achieve 90 degree edge angle) with forward lean at 45 degree, one's lower leg has to be at 45 degree in related to the ground. With less forward lean, our lower leg has to get even closer to the ground in order to achieve high edge angle. With our lower leg more parallel to the ground, pushing the thigh would translate less and less downward pressure. If I did not explain myself clearly, please let me know, I can send image to further illustrate my thought. "....Put your Toes just on the edge. Any 'underhang' ought to be on the heelside...." Unfortunately, this is where we are not on the same page. Given the difficulty on pressuring the heel side edge, "underhang" (everything inside the board including boot, heel loop etc.) ought to be on the toe side in order to have that extra grip on the heel side that is needed. It is always nice to have a constructive discussion without being call name.

In "Duck" stance: Toe side, high angulation can be achieved easily by bending knees. 90 degree angulation can easily be achieved without inclination. (body center over board with edge angle of 90 degree) However, even with highback set at 45 degree (even at 45 degree, our ankle would prevent us from bending this far without sprain), without any inclination (crucial in riding hard condition), high angulation could not be achieved due to bio-mechanism, thus resulting less edge pressure on hard surface.

I agree with Jack saying get alpine (and ride steep angle) if one really wanna carve. Yes, maximum tilt can easily be done duck stance, in toe side! We can ask how Ryan ride steep on hard ice condition on heel side. "Apex" also mention about penalty, the biggest penalty would be heel side edge hold in my book. Toe side underhang, no problem, I find heel side with overhang about half a cm to a cm was boarder line ok for me (GNU/SP binding, no heel loop, therefore, the boot was the overhang part). It can handle a few hard days, depends how hard. I have gone underhang (flow binding, about less than a cm underhang) as well, worked ok when we were at Mammoth with record snowfall, something like 10 feet in a week. Trip to whitface, that setup was no fun. May be other people can chimp in? Either way, to enjoy hard days, ride hardboot, steep angle! I only wish I was on hardboot earlier. It's even more fun on hero days. I save my soft boot for the day when it dumps and the day after that, plus early and late season.

Do you mind sharing the width of the board? By looking at your profile, I am assuming you were riding Head Holster 163W with Burton Malavita? Or was it Flow or SP etc... without having a heel loop? It works up to a point, but the key word is "eliminate". Ryan's video showed a 31.2cm width board, if his shoe size is less than size 8 with Burton binding, I am guessing it would be boarder line eliminating overhang. However, if he were to use Flow or SP binding, it would completely eliminate any overhang.

I mentioned it to the people who I rode with all the time, going wide to "eliminate" boot overhang in "duck" stance should not be the route to go. It only works up to a point, unless one rides soft hero snow all the time.

SL for you all. race that gets my blood boil: DEKKER Michelle MICK Christoph GALMARINI Nevin SHIBA Masaki that nose bonk....

comment: " TheStef4x1 day ago ....On the other hand I gotta say people who cut across the entire slope also really annoy me, like come on man where am I even supposed to pass you. I try keeping a lot of space between me and other people and usually try going as far left/right as possible, but it has happend that I had to do full stops (including slaming myself on the ground to stop myself) because of people down the hill making unpredictable turns and requiring waaay too much space. " " reason291023 hours ago ....I've seen fist fight on the slope because of shit riders. Don't carve the entire slope and stay in your own lanes." When did trails become a highway with lanes? Someone here mentioned about this weird mentality before.

" I only saw one plate... Allflex! " exactly what I saw. I think it all started when Vic Wild won both GS and Slalom in the last Olympic with it. And everyone! boys, girls, dogs all hopped on one of those allflex. With the $ it cost, I'm happy with what I have....

Reread my post, correction, R becomes 0, not infinity. Meaning one is applying no torque at the pivot point.

"there were no Highbacks on my skateboards or surfboards either " in terms of skateboards or surfboards or riding in powder, the pivot point is inside the board. T=RxF - Torque equal distance times force Skateboard, at the bushing - any downward pressure (force) outside the bushing, one is apply torque to tilt the board at the pivot point (the bushing). The distance would be from the heel to the bushing. If the bushing is made out of metal and is as wide as the board, with no heel overhang, one can apply all the force within the board width and the board will not tilt. R - the distance becomes infinity. same thing apply to surfboard and powder, given the board's below surface is the same hardness, any weight or pressure away from the center line of the board (pivot point) one is applying torque at the center line of the board. Given the surface is soft, the board will tilt and one can push and apply pressure to the base of the board instead of relying on the edge to turn. The distance would be from the heel to the center line of the board given the below hardness are even. On snowboard with hardpack, the pivot point is at the edge of the snowboard. Without any overhang or a binding interface, one can apply all pressure inside the board and the board would not be on edge, because now R becomes infinity. With a binding interface, yes, one can apply force by lifting the toe with ankle muscle. However, a greater force can be applied by a highback and a fixed forward lean with thigh muscle. Trying to lift the same squad weight with the little ankle muscle may be just too much to ask for our ankles. My personal opinion is that ankle movement for fine adjustment of edge pressure is appropriate, trying to endure all the force of a turn and every turn might be too much to ask.

in short: forward lean, heel side turn, duck stance

Here's some PGS for you First time I see a Korean get this far.... http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/culturesports/2016/12/19/0702000000AEN20161219007200315.html and only 21 years old

Very nice, I can't believe that I have not come across this 4 year old video. Thanks for sharing from the same user

I liked the hands in the pocket 360 u did in the other video, that was sick

I came across this and not sure if this was posted before.

anyone riding MC Monday or Tuesday during the day?

1:32-1:34 OZ board, vist plate, so it looks like to me, just throwing it out there.... i m in the same boat. i ve been doing newbie ground trick on my NS EVO for a couple seasons 2 years ago on soft days. didn't ride much last season. it didn't work very well once i put on my softboot carver Lib T. - Jamie L. I wouldn't dare on any of my hardboot setup, and not planing to.... Nick, come up to mountain creek, and we can fool around together, that'd be great. For me, rocker in the middle makes quite a bit difference. Of course, unless you already know what you are doing and is a ground trick expert, in which i'm not.

History repeats, whats old is new again. Damian didn't ride 20+ inches stance though.

Finally something new and different

10000 like! Awesome to see other stylish riders, be it softboot or hardboot. Excellent!

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/05/skier-sought-in-fatal-collision-at-breckenridge-ski-resort/ http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/04/skier-dies-on-expert-trail-at-breckenridge/ I assume this is the accident that was mentioned in the video. not only that, at a resort(don't wanna name), I've seen ski racer kids bomb the steep narrow to a flat and just air out a good 3-4 secs before touching down to the ground on another steep section with absolutely no clue what was at landing before leaping. Now that is just reckless..... Wide trail does make the probability of getting hit less likely.

I ride them all.... For carving, camber.... or cam-rock or cam with de-cambered nose.