thanks for the advice everyone, i think ill keep my eyes open for a fish.... possibly an osin .. theres just not enough snow around here to buy brand new coiler i get out west once maybe twice a year, so id like to have a proper board for the job. the group i was with said there were pockets in the trees that were never touched, and plenty deep..... man i need to move out west., theres 70 cm of man made snow here, and visible grass on my lawn :(.