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Yeah, that was a bummer, however riding the thing really hard in crud with small bumps was not reeally what the thing was designed to do. Later the other person that saw the crash thought that the cart wheels at the end of the wreck may have been what caused the thing to break anyway. Like I said "unless you abuse the thing". It always seems easy to blame the board or the builder rather than admit that maybe you just plain f--ked up. Heck I'm not ashamed to say that maybe I made a bad decision. In fact the other part of the discussion we had was me admitting that I should have retired the thing for the day several runs ago. On another note, you been to Utah yet? or like the rest of us here are you too damn busy.

I have broken my share of skis but no snow boards (at least that qualify for this thread). As far as the Burners that have failed me, I think that I got fair mileage out of them for the most part. I used to break at least one pair of skis a year when all I did was tele. I almost always skied on alpine skis with tele bindings on them and broke and/or delaminated everything until I started using Solomon skis. About the same time I started skiing on Solomon’s, I also started riding alpine snow boards so the mileage put on them was not near as much. However 4 years later still no breakage. I think that it must be pretty hard to break a well made snow board unless you completely abuse it. I know that I have abused some boards in the way I have wrecked, going over the handlebars for one thing, along with the other wrecks. Still everything seems to be in tact with the boards that I own, Coiler, Donek, and Sims. My take for those of you who may have broken an alpine board, say in the bumps or something similar, I would just not expect a stiff race or carve specific board to hold up very long under those conditions without some problem. As for the wreckage of my skis, I think that I came to expect some failure because of the stress put on the ski with a much smaller “foot print” of the tele binding mount over the rather large area that an alpine binding uses.

This may be some good reading for some. Not too 'techie' for the average person. Just enough info. http://www.dominatorwax.com/renewzoom.html

I would have to say that you can get injured staying on the ground too. Stay strong including your shoulders and arms and rip. I f you are relaxed and comfortable getting some air, just do it. When you get into your 50’s you should still be able to rip it up if you stay strong and keep an interest in the sport. When I started riding I went from skis (tele) right into carving. I am glad that I kept at least one pair of skis because after a couple of years they can be fun again at times.

No, I am one now. More like "****in' flippers and skidders" when it comes to most of the soft boot "huckers and flippers" out there making "boarduroy". Naturally I had to hear every snowboarder joke ever told when I started riding. Some I have to say are kind of funny even if I am one.

I liked burritos first so that is how I voted. Skied after that. Alpine skies to teles to alpine again. Only the second time on alpine was on a board. Have never been in soft boots. ......................................

........on the other side of things, I see that no one has just one. Yet. I have 7.5

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I rode one the year before last later on in the day. I was pretty much done with carving and a friend of mine had one and sent me out on it. I do not think that it trashed my legs any more than my regular boards, it did seem to eat up the chop very well too. I think that was due to its softer flex. I would like to try one on the perfect groom though. kt

Leedom helmets are very good. They fit very well for most people. The Leedom has the best impact protection out there that I know of but is rather heavy and I do not like the venting as well as the Giro 9. I have both and have not used the Leedom since I started wearing the Giro 9. I have the model with the visor. If you are into riding with music you can get a "Tune UP" kit for the Giro. This kit is replacement ear pads/flaps that double as head phones for your portable music player.

..........Good reading. I got the privilege to ski with the “Moon” last year at A-Basin. I also got to ski the Donek ski. Brian is one of the most likable guys I have met in years and can do tele turns ‘switch’ better than most can going the right way. Everyone that was at the SES in ’04 should remember him as he was a big help getting us all on the snow every day. As far as the ski goes, I would have to say that that thing was very refreshing. My very first reaction was that it might be a bit on the slow side and not as responsive but after about 2 more runs and putting it through some more varied terrain what I though it was missing is actually what it had over most skis. Shear dampness. Not deadness but the ski was very stable and quiet under foot. To say predictable might make it seem “ho-hum” to some but to me it means no surprises that you might find in a “nervous” ski. Over all a very solid ride. Now please don’t ask me about the Bomber Bishop because it would take all night and maybe a day or two to tell you what a great advancement Fin brings to the world of tele and I am a chitty typist and can only spell with “spell check”. Short story (at least from me) would be “If you tele you need these”. kt PS. Jack, with these I have the bottle opener. So there!

C5 Golfer would like this. The fastest speeding ticket that I got was with a friend of mine after we left a bar (thankfully after only one beer) in about 1975-6. He was in his 911T Porsche with me following in my ’68 El Camino with the 365 HP 327. I know it may be hard for some of you to believe but he ended up having to draft me to stay up after I crept by him on the freeway. My speedometer was too far past to register but he said that his was a bit past 135 (top of his speedo). We did not get pulled over until we made an exit to get some food on the way home as my friend was having a flat tire. We had no idea that we were being chased. Any way we were lucky that the police were in a good mood and only wrote us for “in excess of 90 MPH in a 65”. However we still had to make the mandatory appearance at the jail that night and had to pay the toe bill. The top speed that I have registered on my mountain bike was 54 MPH, down hill of course, slight tail wind, and rapidly cooling air temps. That was about 6-8 MPH over the norm on this particular road. So favorable conditions can make a difference.

I am going to have to put most of my eggs in Jenney’s basket in reference to his post “Stance angles VS board width”. Coming from a ski background and straight into hard boots and alpine boards I have never thought of “heel side / toe side” when making a turn. All I though about was turning left or right. Putting a board on edge for me is all about leverage, building angles with hips and knees, and trying to keep as much mass over the edge as possible. I ride fairly steep angles (70/70) and it seems to make the turn more symmetrical (left vs. right) and works for me. Other than body mechanics, which vary slightly from person to person, how you approach it mentally will make a difference as well. Sometimes describing something to one person one way will make a lot of sense and to convey the same thing to someone else, a completely different set of instructions will be needed to get the same point across.

What size are your feet. I may have boots and bindings that will work great (as long as they fit). kt

thanks Mike for all of your effort. last year was a great time. i will be in again when it goes. kt

Both Bogus Basin (Boise) and Brundage Mountain (McCall) offer $199 deals in the spring good from March 1st that year through the end of the following following year - March through April and then November through April the following year. This is an unlimited pass which includes summer Mtn bike lift service at Brundage. The deal is only offered for about 6 weeks at the end of each year. If you think you are going to ride at both areas enough you can opt for the unlimited dual area pass for $375. Brundage has some of the best snow quality in the US but Bogus has the better terrain for skiers. A discount card is also available for about $45, to season pass holders at both Brundage and Bogus, good at Sun Valley for about a $15 savings on the daily lift pass any day.

Old guys can rock too ya know. 1: my Coiler ('s soon) 2: my Sims Burners 3: did like the ride of the MADD (do not own one.....yet) kt

Seeing as there is no injury to your knee, your recovery should go fast. What your body typically does is to shut down the mussels around the joint that has had the surgery (thinks that you have had an injury). Rehab form the very first day after is very important. Hopefully you will be given some very minor and stupid sounding little exercises to do. You know what? DO THEM! It will help speed your recovery. The stupid little exercised will keep you mussels firing and from shutting down. I have had 4 knee surgeries and have recovered from all of them just fine. None of mine were from injuries, just over use and genetics. Even though your initial recovery should go fast, pain and discomfort from any bone surgery (or injury) takes a long time to completely heal. Not to worry, bones just take longer to heal completely. I can say this from experience. One of my surgeries was a high tibia osteotomy. Good luck and let us know how you do. kt edit to 4 not 5

I also quit surfing in the early 70's for these same reasons. I quit kayaking about 3 years ago due to the onslaught of the same kind of crowd showing up at the local play waves and put-ins.

for thoes that were there (and not there) Jason put up a thread that has all of the links for photos and videos. See: http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2399[/url]

Hats off to Mike T for his time to get us organized and doing a great job of it and feeding us at his place on Saturday. Thanks Mark and Sean for being there and providing some nice visuals for us to strive to. I had a lot of fun putting more faces to names on this site and what a fun time it was. If this is to be repeated I vote for mid May because there are no race camps, the place is dead and the snowfield out on Zig Zag (sp) glacier was absolutely unbelievable. For those who care to know this snowfield was some of the best carving I have ever experienced. Firm silk made smooth to perfection by Mother Nature only to be scared by those of us that ventured out of the ski area boundary. Access is through controlled gates and we were lucky to have them open on Friday to get there. This was truly the biggest highlight of my trip. I was told this condition does not exist often but when it does it most likely happens in May. Oh yeah, no hiking back to the lift either. I am not sure of the rider count on Saturday (20something?). Maybe Mike has a count. Great fun to make turns with all of those that made it there and made it happen. kt

I just got on to the build list 7 to 10 days ago for a Coiler and the estimated ship date is December '04. This will be my second.

What I have noticed is when I carve with the same intensity on my Coiler PR (with the torsion plus lamination) the over lap is much less than with any of my burners (split tails) or other boards (longer and shorter). This tells me that when a dynamic quick change is made that in fact the over lap could in part be due to board twist. I know what you are thinking ................. The Coiler may be slower edge to edge........... I don't think so. Also you have to admit that the board is very much un-weighted during the transition. Quick change or twist? May be a little of both. Who cares any way, the tracks are pretty darn cool.

Just under 215 per day each............tip, hell, you're drivin'