RDY_2_Carve Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 What's up BOL. Long time no speak! My mind has drifted back to snowboarding as the temps fall and football season starts up. The new 1000RR has done a wonderful job of keeping me busy during the offseason ;) Anyways, can anybody give me any information on pricing for the SES 05-06 event? I'm looking for a ballpark figure on what I can expect to spend for the entire week (lifts, lodging, demo pricing, etc.). Not worried about transportation issues since I will be driving from New Mexico. I noticed the SES page has some info on lodging but nothing on lifts, etc. Can those of you that went last year give me an idea of what you spent overall? I'd be looking at budget lodging (hopefully with roomies), beer, lifts, demo costs, and anything else you can think of. Something along the lines of: "I spent $1500 last year at SES not counting airfare and transportation". It would be MUCH appreciated! P.S. If anybody is in my area and wants to ride with me let me know. Cheers, JPW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fin Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 RDY_2_Carve, Dang, you are ready to go We are planning to have some pricing for the SES package up sometime in the fall, but the dates have been set, Feb 11th to 17th. As far as total cost I would hope some other people here could chime in and let you know what to expect. I would say your one large cost will be lodging. Everything else in Aspen is pretty reasonable except for that. As we get closer you will find people starting to group together and get good deals on places. You can also contact Michelle (bomber@bomberonline.com) and she can help you find an inexpensive place. FYI: we are having some "issues" right now with the legalities of demoing equipment. We are working on it as we speak but this may turn into a big situation for the SES. Suing seems to have become a "great American past time" and our little world of carvers is not immune to it. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDY_2_Carve Posted September 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Fin, I hate to say this but no demo's pretty much means a no-go for me. I'm mainly going for that and to get a good custom boot-fit. All of the clinics and such are just icing on the cake for me. I guess you could factor in meeting everybody as well for another reason to go... Hopefully other people don't feel the same as me about demo-ing. I'd hate to see it kill the SES this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 They just don't get it.... Unless you're talking about a tech who purposely rigs your equipment, causing major injury, I will never understand anyone who sues ski/snowboard/binding companies. We choose to be there. We choose to go fast. We choose which board to ride. If we get hurt it's our own fault...when will people learn? Lawsuits have already taken away great backcountry, killed more than a few resorts (Berthoud Pass?) and led to more paperwork that anyone should be burdened with in 10 lifetimes... I really hope you can work it out, Fin. lawsuits suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Wouldn't a paper work release with signature be sufficient? From what I reckon, it's perfectly legal in 47 states. I could pull some string and have a talk with one of my professor who specialize in ski law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 The trouble is - at least when I lived in Tahoe - Lawyers can get those paper releases thrown out of court in no time flat. But that was california, the original home of the lawsuit... You mat have noticed that ski areas have given up on making you sign releases because the paper is meaningless - they put all of the legalese in fine print on the back of the lift ticket, but it's pretty easy for an aggresive lawyer to argue that there's no chance you read it... Lawyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mario Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Wow! Possibly no demoing at SES? But if I lend my board to Pete and Pete lends his board to Mario and Mario lends his board to me.......I could get sued? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think Pete would sue you, nor would I. So have you been craving a few runs on that fancy wild duck of mine?? I know your jealous welcome back, mario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skatha Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 You know, people will say, it's not the lawyers fault, it's the people who hire them... I had a striking epiphany at my future sister-in-law's graduation from law school and few months ago. There were 470 people in her graduating class-contrasting with 190 in my med school graduating class. There's 8 law schools in TX, contrasting with 7 med schools. There's 3 times as many lawyers in Houston as doctors and they all gotta eat. If we made lawyers as rare as hen's teeth, the ones out there wouldn't waste everybody's time with frivolous litigation.... As for ridiculous suits, I have a story of a guy who was severely beaten up in Galveston. Paramedics are called and this guy has a perfectly placed tracheostomy-which was good because he was choked and broke his windpipe. He's taken to the hospital-trach materials changed out for sterile equipment and he recovers. He takes out a full page ad to try to get this guy who saved him to reveal himself. The hero never comes forward-he was obviously an ENT doc. Reason why-the "good samaritan" law in TX doesn't cover docs responding to the scene of an accident-I can get sued by the same people I stopped to help...I still stop, BTW-I just don't tell 'em I'm a doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ-PS Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Doctor friend owns a horse farm and was working in the stall when the horse kicks his stable gal in the throat. He doesn't have time to high tail it to the house a mile away and grab his gear before she suffocates. He whips out his trusty pocket knife and McGyver styles her a breathing hole. She lives. Twenty years later he finishes paying off the ridiculously expensive lawsuit. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Why dont we shove it up to Aspen and relocate back to Summit County and Eagle County? Pls dont tell me you got issues with 'em too on this stuff, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Too crowded in Summit. Definitely need to keep it in Aspen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 not when we're unable to demo new boards! by the by, looks like we're competing for locals considering youre from aspen and im from silverthorne. :D I just simply hope it phased out quickly and smoothly on Fin's end with the legal issues, and I would be fine with Aspen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 No disagreement there. But I don't think it has anything to do with Aspen, more along the lines of insurance. Of course, I could be totally off base with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Donnelly Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 http://www.advantagerentacar.com/ Labor Day weekend sale - Weekly rate on a Dodge/Plymouth mini-van in Feb 2006 is $189 (base rate) w/unlmtd mileage. When I checked a few months ago they were quoting $329 per week (base rate) for the same vehicle/time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheman0177 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Just booked my ticket on Friday, so I am in for SES, regardless of whether there will be a demo tent or not (though I definately hope there is). Will be flying into Vail (never flying into Aspen again after last year) from Oz on 6 Feb and flying out on 18 Feb. I am coming with a mate and we will be driving from Vail to Aspen probably on Monday 13th AM (though flexible at this stage) and staying at St Moritz. Would be interested in getting together with a shared ride if anyone is doing a similar run from Vail to Aspen. Also, Adam (my friend) has never hard booted before. What is the likelihood of being able to hire some gear for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 What is the likelihood of being able to hire some gear for him? Well, that's what the demo tent is for. If not, what's his foot size in cm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tim Tuthill Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Hey folks: Just a reminder of what happened last SES. I was standing in the slow zone in front of Bumps, oh about 2 hundred feet up the hill when hit from behind. Long story short. Not a PI law firm in the state of Colorado will go up against a ski area. I was told the ski area association has the legislature under control. Oh, by the way that slow zone is right under the mega jump run out. Take care and watch when comming off the run under the chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheman0177 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Jim, I know that is what the demo tent is for, but I would feel bad if he just used demo gear all week (especially boots) and potentially stopped other people getting to try it out. I think his foot is probably about the same as mine and I ride in mondo 29.5 boots. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 you know, its amazing to think how much litigation has fouled up the fun for everyone else. it's sad, because there are legitimate cases where compensation is deserved, but I would venture that they are a fraction of the cases that come up. sick, sick, sick. grrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Dasai Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 lawsuits suck! It's way too simplistic to say that lawsuits suck. Without lawsuits any company could knowingly produce dangerous goods in the full knowledge that they will kill and injure their customers, when they could have made their product safe by spending just a little more money (and thereby reducing their profit margin just a bit). Not only that, they might deliberately lie about the safety of their product, and make it difficult or impossible for prospective customers to make informed decisions. We still get quite a bit of this behaviour from companies, but imagine how much worse it would be without the threat of lawsuits to keep them in line! In the US you have a problem with frivolous lawsuits, which is prevented in other countries by a user-pays system for legal fees (the loser pays the winner's legal fees). You also have a problem with lawsuits being the only way for many people to cover large medical costs, which aren't an issue in countries that have free medical care. Lawsuits by themselves are OK. It's when lawsuits are combined with other aspects of US culture/law that they become a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Frivoulous Lawsuits Suck you really seem to think the corporations are out to get you... paranoia much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Dasai Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 you really seem to think the corporations are out to get you...paranoia much? Nah, you're just naive :) Seriously, they're not out to get me, they're out to maximise their profit, and some of them don't mind what damage they do in the pursuit of that goal. We've heard from Sean at Donek in a recent thread about his concern for the safety of his products, and I believe him. Most people that run companies are probably the same, but some aren't. If you didn't have a way to keep the bad ones in line, the competitive advantage they'd get would make life even harder for the good guys like Sean, Fin etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tim Tuthill Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Baka; Your wrong! Most do good. The free market if left to operate will take care of the rest! That's if the market is left alone to operate without govment involvement. If a person is free to make a choice he will get the right product for his interest. Who pays for your medical??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrokel Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Whenever anyone spouts such faith in the "free" market it just gets my craw... The problem isn't with "the most"... If the "free" market works so well why do disasters like Bophall (Dow Chemical, yes in an essentially socialist country but a capitalist company working in capitalist mode), Love Canal and other corporate disasters occur? The free market indeed does have it's advantages but to leave the human spirit to take advantage of the market could be and has been disasterous on large scales, and with the technology available to a few this could affect more than those on the other side of the globe, it could affect yourself and your family. There has to be some kind of mechanism to control the ultra aggressive and self interested (who TEND to be those who are ultimately more successful in this (a free market) system especially after a certain level of success has been attained). For whatever reason litigation happens to be a mechanism that has taken hold in the US. One of the reasons might be that the various levels of government haven't taken on the responsibility to control those that might take advantage of others. There's a lot more regulation in Europe and Japan and a lot less litigation. It would be an interesting study to see if there is any kind of correlation.... Anyway no one really answered the thread's initial question... How much does it TEND to cost to attend SES? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugger Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Baka; Your wrong! Most do good. The free market if left to operate will take care of the rest! That's if the market is left alone to operate without govment involvement. If a person is free to make a choice he will get the right product for his interest. Who pays for your medical??? Holly Cow! ENRON (California energy blackout and financial mess); Lockeed Martin (million dollar toilet seats); MERCK as in Vioox; HALLIBURTON (Dick Cheney's company in Iraq and now in New Orleans); The list goes on. Wouldn't even talk about anti-trust and price fixing. Let's hear it for the do good corporations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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