big canuck Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I bought that off Jack M. If I ever sell it he has 1st dibs. It is super clean!!!! I have yet to ride that one. I still like the Madd kid personally. Madonna's super cool too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 You have 2 158s of the ~2007 vintage? different stiffnesses? funny how the 19cm 180 looks wide next to the other decks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I have an F2 and the F3. I'm pretty sure they're both 2007's.... They're both PTC tuned and minty:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Hang on, the original 158s and newer 158s are actually different length?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 The length differences are pretty big actually. Orig 158's are more like 156's. Just measured an orig. Its 156 cm long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 For s***s and giggles if anyone cares. You should see the Burner Family!! That is awesome K! I didn't know someone out there currently had more Madds than I actually. My current Madd quiver is Original 158 Original 158 Original 170 Metal 170 Original 180 2006 180 I'll get a pic up next weekend. I actually previously owned the following as well: 2005 170 2006 170 2005 158 2003 Proto BX 167 (looked just like the proto you have but bigger) I remember posting this a while ago: http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89257&postcount=5 and I didn't really notice the length difference, but looking at the picture more closely, the newer 158 is leaned slightly further back, making the length appear to be pretty close. I didn't do a base to base check though. I should check if the 170s and 180s have different shapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terekhov Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 For s***s and giggles if anyone cares. You should see the Burner Family!! fcuk. now I want these stripy BX madd... count me in 1st, whenever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I spotted the Madd boy while watching TV last night All the Kids in Sombertown were sadd 'cause the Bergermiester outlawed snowboards... I mean toys but with the help of old man Winter that crazy Mike Kringle saved the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newturn Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 fcuk. now I want these stripy BX madd... count me in 1st, whenever! Go easy on the "stripy" Madds. The insert areas on them models were not that strong....better yet not as strong as they should be. I'm not refering to the brass that was used on the originals. The "stripies" used a very small diameter based insert and the construction around that area had flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Go easy on the "stripy" Madds. The insert areas on them models were not that strong....better yet not as strong as they should be. I'm not refering to the brass that was used on the originals. The "stripies" used a very small diameter based insert and the construction around that area had flaws. Agreed. The reason I don't still have old proto bx 167 is that on mine the core itself started to split starting at the inserts and eventually folded almost the full length of the board. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terekhov Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 The insert areas on them models were not that strong.... er.. thank you for that warning, that way it's surely not my cup of tea - 90kg + lovely lotta speed is not an insert-retaining combo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Kurt, your too big for that thing. Better let me ride it, I'll be gentle;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I have 2 original 158's one with a Die cut that had to be reglued (rides the same now)...I've ridden them hard- they have not lost any camber or twisted, or lost any snap whatsoever. Base is still super fast... it just never oxidized. I'm about to get another... 158 which I think is an original..likely barely ridden. Oddly enough I was talking with a ranch hand at the Aspen Snow Polo 2009 World Championships I was Dj'ing for 4 days straight yesterday. He's giving it to me since he no longer snowboards. Almost all of the 158's survived- except those that were raced in slalom without nose guards and smashed into gates & noses eventually delammed from repeated impacts. Tail riding 360's could also kill them. It was very hard to tear out of the inserts if you had enough threads engaged and used good quality screws. I only tore out once after hitting a mogul field at 50mph and impacting about 4 times with cateks- hammered a die cut into my vibram soles on my nordica TR9 boots over 3/4 inch deep.... that is how much force it took before I tore out. The 170's had a limited life. The boards would eventually delam of they were over flexed from riding them in slush, typically right in front of the front binding. There were a few special 170's and 158's which IMHO rode much better for advanced riders than the stock models. The CF sheet was extended 1.5 inches further up the nose. Anton Pogue preferred those. As did I. My job at Madd was to punish boards and try to break them. Land stupid jumps, air to carve, slam them into moguls, bury the nose in slush at speed, catch jack hammers etc.. To prove to Mike that we could not use Closed Cell foam in the nose I did nose rides on the soft boot still life 156 cm and love seat 148cm boards....at Wachusett (1000 ft vert drop) I kept swapping boards and delammed 3 in a single run. We had a few 158's in that nose material... they actually rode the best.. but were not durable in east coast hard snow. I also could delam the stripped boards in a single run in soft spring snow by jamming the noses in at speed (Luckily did not break my legs in testing). The striped cap boards were not as good as the v-lams ...same as are the black Madd Cap decks. V-Lam is where it was at. There were (3) original 180's. I was nervous about selling them to the public. They required very skilled riders and it was way too tempting for skilled riders to ride them over 50mph- 60mph + ALL THE TIME. they liked those speeds best. The edge hold over ice was absurd at speed. The 180's went to: 1. Risley Sams who raced his in the 1996 Burton US Open (He weighed about 135-140 lbs and so was not competitive at all against 180+lb athletes in the super G. He snapped it years later. 2. Some idiot who stole one of them...a guy with red hair hmm Shawn... or something... PSR would remember his name. I also raced the 1996 US OPen and gave him my 180 to race on and he split with it being a spoiled moron. (it might still be around) 3. We offered a special deal on 158's to Killington instructors. The guy who ran Killington Ski school at the time.. errr... it might come to me.... some italian name.... well we were selling them for I think $199 to instructors- and we had 170's and a single 180 to demo, and one of the sons... of an older instructor... bought the 180 without our permission. It was supposed to sell for $1200. Paul Anderson AKA Emilio Zappata a Killington rider who worked for American Airlines.... he has a near perfect condition original 170 from the first batch... speckled base and all..> That one IMHO would be the one to own... "From my cold dead hands" was the quote he gave to me. IMHO... the reissues did not ride the same...at all. The camber is different, and when I really hammer them.. I can't store the same energy in them. (they are plenty good enough for most riders...and are beyond the skill level to "top them out" for most carvers) none of the reissues allow me to ride to the same level as I do with the originals. IMHO I have far more edge hold with an original 158 ridden properly than with a reissue 170. And the Original 170 killed the edge hold of the original 158 by a HUGE HUGE MARGIN- only the 180 had more... it felt limitless in edge hold -my legs could not take the G's required to make the 180 break free without buckling to the board first. The original 170s had more than enough edge hold if ridden properly so that you never needed more... the grip would break free ...when you needed it too. Not so with the 180 so you could not go from a locked in carve at 50+ to a emergency skid with the 180..... you had to KNOW WHERE you would end up WAY in Advance....which is harder to predict with a 22 meter sidecut. (that is a 132 foot diameter circle- the size of a 13 story building laid over!) I have a reissue 170 blunt nose- stiff model with higher camber than the original 170's. I'm selling it for $300. I do not feel it is worth $500 or is better than a new 185 coiler/donek/prior. I am way happier on my original 158's. If I could find an original 170 in top condition...I'd pay $1500- $1700 for it. and it was the one with the longer CF topsheet in the wood tone with the super deep gloss CF.... $2000. those were the shiot. I felt invincible on that deck. (only 3 were made) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted December 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 John, I'm interested in the "blunt 170" you speak of. What kind of shape? # of days on it? Pics? I'd likley buy it, lemme know. You can email me through BOL if you like. Thanks for the killer history lesson. K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 There is one other missing Madd... its a rare regular foot ASYM.... no madd graphics on it but easily identifiable carbon top sheet.. about 19.0 at the waist with the closed cell foam nose... One of the easiest boards to learn to freecarve on. symetrical Nose Asym cut out on the tail MIA since Lauren Smith stole it from Cappelletti. Its an odd thing.... if we said a board was not for sale... it got stolen. If we offered it for sale but with no pro form... the pros stole them. However if they were just sold with a standard 40% margin... we couldn't sell them... go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted December 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Email sent John Kurt at bowcycle dot com is the address thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 More Madd Porn.. http://web.me.com/nobelprize/Site_8/Boards_at_Kikis/Boards_at_Kikis.html oh... btw the 158 that I hit the moguls on at 50+ I punched the entire disc through the board- so the inserts never tore out.. I turned the catek disc into a bent potato chip. The bases are in much better shape than the photos show. There is ZERO oxidation. If anyone wants to lift the photos from this and report it on their server to post directly w/o a link .. that would be good. Oh, and my avatar is me on a softer flexing 170 reissue.. too soft for my taste- look at it decamber at sub 35 mph . The 170 in the catcoop photos.... is much stiffer... but alas 4 me 2 mucho camber for a Front riding guy. Oh, and I have not forgotten the 360 video I still owe a bunch of people. There is a link showing my new photog. If I sell the 170 I'm getting liners for my hardboots. Raised the 170cm price to $400 because thats what the Strolz liners cost (and I still have to buy cork orthotics for $150.).. But Kurt can have 1st dibs for $350 if he wants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted December 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I'll take it John. Let me know shipping and I'm in thx k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajcannon Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 i think I had one of the Madd softie boards from way back in like 1992 maybe?? and come to think of it.. I think it did delaminate (like Bobdea said). I think it had some red and white plaid graphics on it..and maybe it was actually a k2 board that they put the madd mikes logo on it? I remember going to Madd Mikes in Boston and it was a wind-surfing / snowboarding shop..I think. Does that make sense? or am I remembering this wrong? After it de-lammed k2 sent me a new board (without the madd mikes logo). I never made the connection that that was the same "Madd". I had hair back then... at least I have better gear now. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJ Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Here is a picture of Steph's Madd Fleet. Some are daily rides and some are now just wall art. Original 170 is all black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted December 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Is the one on the left an asymmetric? What's the board on the far right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJ Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 No the one on the right is symetrical. It is a 168 prototype from a year or two before the did the production run of the new generation Madds (green sidwall ones). The one on the right is the foam core board they were testing many years ago. John referenced it in his post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Is the all black classic 170 the special one that John mentioned above with the extra carbon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoetrencher Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 'Cause I thought mine was "original" (quotes for Bryan) with the white-walled madd boy graphics speckled P8000 base. Really John? Only 20 made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Spent the last two days on the original 170. It is definitely softer feeling underfoot compared to the Angrry I've been riding, but wow this thing is a rocket. It has the usual awesome board descriptors: limitless edge hold, telepathic edge to edge, very variable turn shapes. It almost has a smooth metal feel to it when skidding or carving to ice, but pops wonderfully off of the tail. Top speed on this thing is ridiculous. It really does feel like a friendlier version of the classic 58. No need to pound the hell out of the nose on this one. Air-to-carve is simply automatic. The way it cuts the snow is so "clean" and thin, I can't really describe how it felt, but it was different than other boards I've ridden recently. These definitely are special, out of my cold dead hands for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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