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I have just discovered an online wine auction site and gone a bit mental. I am amassing quite a collection. I think I need Jim to come and sort it for me some time because I am getting to the stage of needing to know what is worth keeping and what I should just drink. But nonetheless, I love it.

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Call me not the purist, but I think wine should be drunk and not collected-

My brother got married last year and, in the cellar-and not well cellared, either, were literally hundreds of higher level cru bordeaux, many upwards of 50 years old....

They were purchased for special occasions and kept-

when would you break down and drink them? They had achieved the dreaded "sentimental value".......

When I say not well cellared, this room was halfway into the hill, with west facing windows in Fort Worth...needless to say, I imagine, it do get hot in that room....

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If you're doing it right, you don't attach sentimental value to them. The wine really does change with age, so you can see large improvements if you cellar it. The important part that many collectors miss is that it's wine and the reason you keep it is to drink it later - not just to have for the sake of having.

The other thing is that with bubbly, there are a LOT of vintage years so it's easier for some people to justify drinking it.

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I completely agree-tasting a wine-1 bottle one day and another bottle even 1 month later can be 2 different and pleasant experiences....

But, if I was going to collect wine, I'd put it in a dark area and keep it around 50 degrees....

I recently purchased a case of wines from Seghesio-I've already got some away to drink over the next 5 years-but I'm not collecting with the idea of potential investment

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I do have some "table bubbles" on hand at all times, too, plus the usual collection of table flats.

<img src="http://www.cf-cars.com/images/bubbles/Mumm%20-%20blanc%20de%20noirs%20-%20label.jpg">

<img src="http://www.cf-cars.com/images/bubbles/Mumm%20-%20carte%20classique%20-%20label.jpg">

<img src="http://www.cf-cars.com/images/bubbles/Mumm%20-%20cordon%20rouge%20-%20label.jpg">

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I am just hanging out to go back to New Zealand in September and drink myself stupid in Hawkes Bay, Marlborough and Central Otago. I hope the other half is happy driving on the "wrong" side of the road, as I won't be capable.

And yes, while classical champers is always good (Taittinger for me) I will be partaking of Cloudy Bay Pelorus and Deutz Blanc de Blanc while there. And hopefully breakfast at Cellier Le Brun ... champagne breakfast ... the best way to start a solid day of wining ...

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Call me not the purist, but I think wine should be drunk and not collected-

I totally concur with that statement

lots of folks get into it and waste good wine, eventually corks rot even in the best of condition

some old folks that I cleaned out their house a couple years ago had a huge collection starting with bottles purchased in the fifties

anyway, some were bad and others were not but whats the point if you don't drink the damn things

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that Mumm Blanc De Noir is one of my favorites. If you ever get a chance to visit the Winery it's well worth the trip.

And you need to add some DVX to your selection there...Yum :biggthump

It's one of my favorites, too. I've been really impressed with Mumm's Napa offerings. They are quite good and well priced. The NH liquor store usually has them for $14-15. They are all much better than Moet's Napa bubbles, imo, which are very temperature sensitive.

I've been meaning to try the DVX for about two years now, but it's very hard to find around here (MA) and because MA sucks, I can't buy it online. I'll keep my eyes peeled though. Maybe Marty's can special order it for me?

Jack - a good rosé is still good. They're just a bit harder to find. The lower end rosés are usually just devoid of complexity, but the good ones are.... good. The skin also makes them age differently and this is where many rosés find their stride.

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My wine comes out of a box! Mylar bags and plastic taps never dry out, warm or, cold dont matter to me and sunshine aint gonna hert it and I get alot of bang for the buck (sadly mostly myself go figure). Go Mad Dog go! :D

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I am just hanging out to go back to New Zealand in September and drink myself stupid in Hawkes Bay, Marlborough and Central Otago. I hope the other half is happy driving on the "wrong" side of the road, as I won't be capable.

And yes, while classical champers is always good (Taittinger for me) I will be partaking of Cloudy Bay Pelorus and Deutz Blanc de Blanc while there. And hopefully breakfast at Cellier Le Brun ... champagne breakfast ... the best way to start a solid day of wining ...

I won't get into the right side / wrong side of the road debate (because I know I am right, but there are just too many of you). But as for the wine, NZ has some amazing cold climate whites. I think I have a few, but I can't really be sure.

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My wine comes out of a box! Mylar bags and plastic taps never dry out, warm or, cold dont matter to me and sunshine aint gonna hert it and I get alot of bang for the buck (sadly mostly myself go figure). Go Mad Dog go! :D

Ah the Wine Cask. One of Australia's greatest inventions!!! Almost makes me weep....

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Bob and everyone else against aging wine:

What you have to realize is 99.999% of wine produced is NOT meant for aging. 99% of California wine is NOT meant for aging. They don't have the tannin structure nor the acidity to last more than a few years in bottle before they start going downhill.

Certain wines MUST be aged before they really start to shine. Vintage Champagne, Upper levl growths of Bordeaux, Barolo, Barbaresco, Brunello, and Premier Cru and Grand Cru Burgundy. While you can technically drink these wines young, they aren't meant to be drunk without the proper aging, nor do they taste as good.

Cellaring wine changes the character of a wine dramatically. If you have several bottles of something, you can drink it over a span of decades and watch it grow and mature into a beautiful thing. One of the coolest examples of this I've had the pleasure of experiencing is drinking a relatively young glass of Tokaji Aszu Essencia, and having a glass of 1859 Tokaji right next to it. Mind you the wine was unbelievable, drinking wine that predates the American Civil war will boggle your mind, and is something everyone should be able to experience.

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ageing is bad, what I did say is that there is a huge potential for loss and there are many folks who collect and won't part with their wine that they will never drink, its like someone who buys boards and never rides them and will never sell them.

there is a risk to cellaring wine even with perfect climate controls, this past winter actually this was a good thing because my girlfriend got a few bottles free that were tearing, it was still tasty though

its good to work for rich wine yuppies sometimes

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my girlfriend got a few bottles free that were tearing

Do you mean that there was wine seeping out of the bottle? Storage factors can influence that, but from what I've seen it can happen to the best stored wines as well.

As long as you know the life expetancy of the wine, there really isn't that much risk when it comes to cellaring wines, assuming proper cellaring conditions are used. The percentage of flawed wine is around 3%, and there really isn't anything you can do to prevent most flaws.

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the dudes explanation for that was the french can't make corks, it was all french wine exept one of them

what I actually think was the reason the same as I have found with a few french spirits is that they often use untreated natural cork as opposed to the ones with adidtives or were highly compressed prior to use

the untreated corks are said to breath much better and don't transfer any unnatural tastes

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The French can't make corks? The guy obviously has no clue as to what he's talking about. My guess is there was something flawed in his cellaring, as if the corks don't recieve enough moisture (whether through natural humidity or the bottles being on their side), the can dry up and shrink, causing seepage.

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