Jack M

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Eff softboots and snowboarders. I don't even tell people I snowboard anymore, I'm too ashamed. I just say I ski.

The only year the sidewall color has any significance was the '04/05 boards (blue boy topsheets). Many blue boy/green sidewall boards had bonding problems with the CF x-wing topsheet, which would pop off on day one. If you have a blue boy with green sidewalls and it hasn't lost it's CF topsheet, you're probably fine. They fixed this issue and did a second run of '05 boards with the blue boy and red sidewalls. Those boards were also a little stiffer than the green sidewall boards. All years after that there weren't any bonding issues, and the boards generally got stiffer and better. My '07 158 F3 has green sidewalls, and it's amazing.

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anyone who thinks they can eliminate danger or guarantee safety on ski slopes is a moron.

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What's the insert pattern like? Would these work??

Buddy, read the fine print...

Yes. I also had a 21cm wide Factory Prime 167 in 1996. I don't think I'd go wider than 21 on a board to be primarily used on the groomers, but I'm loving 21. It feels like a snowboard again. A good friend tried 23 and hated it, so I'm not really interested. I think my PJ7 was wider than 21, and of course my original Safari was, but they don't really count any more.

Also the AM is usually wider. The 171 Stubby is 20cm wide, my 170 is 21cm wide.

I <i>really</i> hate it when board makers don't list the specs of their boards. Maybe they can't be sure they'd be the same from board to board.

This is what I think I know... The Stubby is a full-on race/freecarve construction. I'm pretty confident the AM is softer. The shape of the Stubby includes a blunt, short nose, and a small tail with a little kick and the corners rounded off. The Stubby's running lengths are about 5cm longer than traditional. Why? Well, why not. It works. The shape and profile of the nose is derived from current World Cup shapes, so they are decambered and have a gentle rise. This helps with smooth turn initiation, and I'm convinced it has a benefit for variable terrain too. The rounded tail helps there as well. They also have longer sidecuts than usual for their overall length. I got turned on to Shred's idea of less is more here when I got a pair of hand-me-down shaped skis that were 170cm with a 15m radius, and they carved great. There's simply no need for any extra lumber, imo. The 171 Stubby has a 13.2m sidecut, which is about the same as the Prior 183. My 170 has a 14m sidecut which is the same as a Prior 187. Those are pretty racy numbers, so the boards handle higher speeds and GS turns well. AM's have shorter sidecut radii for slower freecarving and/or smaller turn size. Longer sidecut and shorter length makes for shallower sidecut depth. This pays huge dividends when not carving. Shallow sidecut makes the board very easy to push and steer around, and also easy to break out of a carve. So all that put together makes for a board that is very capable as an all-mtn ride, without giving up a lick of pure carving performance. I would say if you spend your time 60/40 on-groom/off-groom (or more on-groom), and you like GS turns, get a Stubby. If you spend your time 40/60 on-groom/off-groom (or less on-groom) and/or you live in an area that gets frequent powder, get an AM. If you're time is spent 50/50, well, flip a coin I guess. I can't comment on moguls because I'm not a big fan of riding moguls.

OP said made in USA. Donek. Why not support those who help keep alpine alive and moving forward? What is the dilemma here?

Har har. Actually I should qualify my numbers by saying that I was mostly teaching all-ages group lessons, and those probably weren't a good environment for young kids. A private or small group lesson of all youngsters would probably get better results. But either way, real young kids usually just don't have the muscles or balance to really link turns. I say again, falling leaf is a complete waste of time. Time that would be better spent skiing. I just think that skiing is a valuable skill in two huge ways - 1st, it's easier for a young kid to learn, period. 2nd, knowing how to ski will make snowboarding a lot easier to learn when the time comes. Win win. And if you think skiing is easy on parents, I take it you've never done a slow snowplow down an entire trail, holding your kid either between your legs, or on your poles next to you, or on a leash... omg, it's like doing wall-sits.

sweet! now put some real bindings on it! :p

My son (6) started on skis at age 3. I've told him he can't snowboard until he's 7 (or was it 8, I forget). I taught snowboarding professionally part time for 4 years during college. During that time I taught hundreds of people how to snowboard from scratch including a lot of teens, tweens, and kids under 10. I saw exactly TWO kids under 7 get it. They were exceptionally gifted athletically and had a strong desire to learn. Most kids under 7 were lucky to learn falling-leaf, which IMO, is a complete waste of time. The reason for this I believe is that snowboarding relies on skills and muscles that aren't used much on a daily basis, like the fronts of your shins and the insides and outsides of your thighs. Skiing is pretty natural, a kid can just stand up and glide. You can't just stand on a snowboard and do anything other than possibly get a concussion. I see a lot more real little kids these days on tiny snowboards with ambitious parents in tow, but I think they would be better served learning skiing. Skiing on shaped skis now makes a carved turn even more intuitive and accessible to everyone. I think this is the gateway towards carving on a snowboard. If a kid never learns skiing, IMO they have a lot worse chance of feeling a carved turn happen. It's a lot harder to learn how to carve a snowboard if you don't even know what a carve feels like. In that regard I think learning how to ice skate would be more valuable to a tyke than learning how to snowboard.

ha. my collection of ONE ('91 PJ7) will never be sold. I did sell a '94 green PJ6 to fund a '95 FP157.

bob, you seem to be real into computers. why aren't you in the business? (you said you're packing xmas ornaments 40 hrs/wk)

Yeah, in my experience this is just how selling stuff goes, no matter where. Nobody is obligated to complete the deal until money is exchanged. I keep ALL interested parties on the hook until the item is paid for in full.

Mine is 170cm x 21cm x 14m. I love it. It's perfect on medium to wide groomers. It can be forced into tight spaces like the top of Liftline at Stowe, but that's not ideal. The middle section of Liftline and Lord were just wide enough. I had a Prior 177 which is 11.9m and it was a great all around board but the sidecut was too short too often. I like to go faster more often than that board did. For icy days where I want to get turns around and keep speed down, I use my Madd 158 (9m? 10m?). I had a Donek 186 which was 15m, and that was great too, but 14m (and 170cm) is more versatile. My Madd 180 is 16m, maybe 16.5m, who knows. That's the board for when it's buff and you want to bring out your A game and haul ass. The sidecut is the biggest shape factor that determines how fast you can let your board run and how stable it will be at speed. If you feel like your current board gets nervous or chattery if you get going too fast (and you want to be going fast), try a longer sidecut. On nice days with good grooming, it's so fun to just lean on it. However you probably don't want a long sidecut if it's going to be your only board. If I could only have one board it would be my 14m Coiler, but that's because I ride Sugarloaf which is generally steeper than average so I get going faster.

perfect! the pic could use a little photoshopping, but great capture. (he must not have any kids... white jacket!)

YES! These are high performance bindings! Bid early bid often! I wasn't going to accept returns, but in special cases I will with a 75% restocking fee. ;)

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