Jack M

See now that's more like it!

http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?41711-Carving-magazine-update&p=416302#post416302 :p

It's gonna be a long summer! Shaggy's original 158 that I rode at ECES was awesome, but so was big canuck's 2007 158 I got from ktv. It'll be interesting to pit these two against each other, hopefully along with other current boards.

Haha YES!! The original 158 is mine!!

It's a non-sequitor for sure, but I'll take the exposure and if Sims's family makes money off it then great. I would say the iPhone is right up there in the list of significant inventions.

Yeah I think it premiered during the Super Bowl. Amusing how Mazda assumes authority to award Sims with the title of Creator of the Snowboard, a hotly contested piece of winter history that I didn't realize had been settled, haha. I do believe Sims's stories of building a snowboard in woodshop in 1963 in junior high school. Sherman Poppen invented the Snurfer in 1965 according to wikipedia, and went into production in 1966, selling over half a million. For this, I think Poppen has a greater claim on the title. Sims didn't go into production until 1976, according to their website. Winterstick would be the 2nd snowboard company, starting in 1972.

Custom Donek Pilot 140 with round tail for my 9yo nephew for next season! (pic from my brother-in-law)

Love that stance and his style.

Haha! And in the summer do you go Waterboarding? ;)

The use and teaching of duck stance in beginner lessons. I'm talking like +15/-15 or so. I feel like I see this a lot. I see plenty of beginners and low intermediates emulating Shaun White's stance, and it is really hurting them. Maybe you don't see this as I don't think you are riding at the same time or in the vicinity of weekend warriors. I have asked several intermediates if they've ever tried a narrower, more forward facing stance (nothing crazy, and with plenty of splay) and the vast majority say no. Some friends and acquaintances have adopted my suggestions with success. That's great news. Bending over at the waist on toeside is not a mechanically good way to carve. If someone decides to get more serious with Alpine and try hardboots, if they have the notion that this is how you're supposed to carve, they're going to have to spend some time breaking that habit. That's because you are already experts. No actually I'm opening their eyes to another choice, which they hadn't considered before. Anecdotal experience... you forget I've taught about a thousand people how to snowboard.

Saw it called "Alpine" in the first Burton catalog I ever saw, I believe the '87-88 season. The term is derived from the use of Alpine Mountaineering boots, which people used before snowboard specific hardboots were invented. Also borrowed from the skiing lexicon as a general antonym to freestyle. I think it makes sense for us to use this term because IMO every other term is either too narrow and off-putting (raceboarding, race style) or too vague (hardbooting).

Rediscovered the 2007 Madd 158 late this winter. Seemed a lot like the original 158 I got to ride for a day at ECES. Both I would call the most exciting boards I've ridden.

Met Sean K at the Sugarloaf Banked Slalom a couple times. Very nice guy, has put a lot of work into keeping alpine alive in USASA here in New England. Hope someone takes the baton...Termin8r?? jburrill?? Thanks Sean and Karl!

Agreed. However I believe that many people never question that style nor the duck stance after that first lesson. I believe snowboard schools and rental shops are setting up beginner riders with a duck stance out of convenience, and not out of service to the customer. I don't believe this is a good way to learn or ride unless equal performance while switch/fakie riding is the goal. When I was teaching we all carried mini-drivers, and would change students' stances appropriately. I never set up a student with a negative rear foot angle. Agreed again. I'll never tell an obvious expert riding duck that they're doing it wrong. I will tell and have told obvious intermediates they should consider a different stance. I don't think anyone has said anything about feeling threatened. Personally I just get frustrated by people posting stuff online with titles like "How to carve on a snowboard" when it's not actually the best way. Whatever, I'm glad those guys are having fun carving their snowboards, hopefully they will inspire other softbooters to feel the carve too. It's just too bad that whoever learns their style will have to eventually unlearn it if they want to go further with alpine snowboarding.

I was too busy with the kids...

Oh yeah. Do a track day and you'll know it's a sport.

Awesome! Long live the king!

Ok, that's what I thought, the longer sidecut starts forward of the waist.

how can the two different sidecut radii be tangent while the board has no taper? Does the 13m section start forward of the waist?

With T3 - twin tail technology.

Awesome!! And I know first hand from the Sugarloaf Banked Slalom that Ross Powers is one fast cat! Course looks carvey?

Honestly though, it's a cute video, but his life plan seems to require either amassing a sizable fortune first, or not having children, or accepting a very modest lifestyle. Unfortunately my inner ear has more expensive taste - snowboarding.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/01/opinion/slomo.html?referrer Why carving feels good at 8:32

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:-) Oh Rob, you've been taking a beating lately, but please know we love having you around. I do like the real discussion that has come out of this. You make valid points. Of course Alpine does not check the boxes "sells advertisements" nor "grandfathered in". I still find Mr. Kelley's remarks silly though.