Peter Vu Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I read a thread on the French EC forum that may or may not be of interest here regarding the equipment/technique used during the Olympics: “…..During an interview, M. Bozetto said that the winner, P. Schoch, rode with a different technique (close the push-pull) compared to other racers….” Also - 90% of riders used the Northwave .950 (they are no longer manufactured for the last 7 years) - 90% of riders used standard bindings (no step-in) - 90% of riders used F2 Race Titanium - 90% of riders did not use F2 but instead Kessler “…..some racers used special bases build on top of some dampers that are used for ski competition. It was also observed that one of the Schoch brothers closing his binding with one had before the start of the race and then popped it open with two fingers after the finish. So “tight” bindings may not be the norm for racing? …..” Anyway, this is a quick translation because I am doing it at work (shhhhhhh…) :rolleyes: but if sthg is lost in translation, well you can shoot the messenger…ME!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 If there were more alpine riders in the world, the Olympic results should have been enough to revive the Northwave line. That probably won't happen. If P. Schoch really is using the push-pull style (I couldn't tell from the video), then ExtremeCarving.com needs to get Schoch on a Swoard. That would be some great marketing---along the lines of, "this is what the gold medal winner rides when he's not on the racecourse". What do the resident racers say about P. Schoch possibly using the push-pull style? There was that interesting thread of racers vs EC'ers The line about one of the Schoch brothers keeping his binding clip loose is interesting. The first time I read about someone doing that was Jaques Rilliet(?) from ExtremeCarving.com when using the TD2. I tried that with my TD2 and liked it. But, I just didn't feel secure. I was too worried about the toe clip popping loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 maybe its time to go back to the gummy / rubber bands we were using on the emery plates in the late 80's. they would allow for loose bindings, with at same time make sure it does not open... Or maybe something has to be found on the lever side too... from super stiff to soft and secure....? nils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 There have been assertions that binding manufacturers need to make their bindings stand up to this kind of misuse. I think if you're setting your bindings up so loose, you'd be better served by a binding like this: http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=1854&stc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 It was also observed that one of the Schoch brothers closing his binding with one had before the start of the race and then popped it open with two fingers after the finish. So “tight” bindings may not be the norm for racing? …..” Nothing to do with how loose the bindings were. Just Supermen doing up tight bindings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjl Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Personally, I like the stiffness of the intecs, but many of the really good versatile carvers I've met (not the "only on the groom, and only when the snow is hard or harder" kind, but the "chop, bumps, and offpiste aren't a problem" kind) like their standard bails super loose or prefer using flexier intecs. Some of the ones in Colorado like to poke fun at me, as to them it seems like boots + BTS + suspension system is basically an attempt to get to their setup: walk mode + loose bindings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I read a thread on the French EC forum that may or may not be of interest here regarding the equipment/technique used during the Olympics:“…..During an interview, M. Bozetto said that the winner, P. Schoch, rode with a different technique (close the push-pull) compared to other racers….” Also - 90% of riders used the Northwave .950 (they are no longer manufactured for the last 7 years) - 90% of riders used standard bindings (no step-in) - 90% of riders used F2 Race Titanium - 90% of riders did not use F2 but instead Kessler “…..some racers used special bases build on top of some dampers that are used for ski competition. It was also observed that one of the Schoch brothers closing his binding with one had before the start of the race and then popped it open with two fingers after the finish. So “tight” bindings may not be the norm for racing? …..” Anyway, this is a quick translation because I am doing it at work (shhhhhhh…) :rolleyes: but if sthg is lost in translation, well you can shoot the messenger…ME!! does that mean that the people still in burton do not exist nor do the people riding deeluxe? I keep a eye on who is riding what and from what I saw most people were riding deeluxe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 ok he got a bit optimistic :) i think it was around 75%.. but still looking to see the whole stuff to be able to make stats... haven't got luck so far on the net to see the whole PGS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I know Rosey was on burton Fires...what boots did Sigi, Daniela Meuli, and Amelie Kober wear? interesting to know what the winners wore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedzilla Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 87.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 100% of men Olympic PGS finalists were wearing Northwaves, riding Kesslers with funky bindings, buying the same underwears, ate the same Super Swiss Muesli in the morning and were from the same set of parents... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedzilla Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 100% of men Olympic PGS finalists were wearing Northwaves, riding Kesslers with funky bindings, buying the same underwears, ate the same Super Swiss Muesli in the morning and were from the same set of parents... :lol: 4 out of 5 dentists agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dold Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I think the looser the bails are, the more likely they are to fail from fatigue. 69% more likely, to be exact. I'm just guessing this from the way bolts in engines work, where they have to be tightened enough to keep the preload high enough so that the bolts don't see the stress cycles from vibrations. Like the bolts that hold case halves together or hold cylinder heads on. It seems like the bindings work that way, sort of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I am 98% satisfied with the responses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgforce Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Since I ve been in the Olympics with the US snowboard team I can tell you first hand. Most of the riders were wearing Deeluxe. Only 5 or 6 riders in total were wearing Northwaves and the rest were wearing fires, heads and Upzs. Sigi is on fires, amelie kober is on deeluxe, Tyler is on Upzs and Michelle Gorgoni is on fires. Let me know if you want more pictures posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgforce Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Sorry, didnt attach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 100% of the schoch brothers were on northwave, as well as bozetto who has 100% northwave :) Nils Burton fires? How long ago did they stop making them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgforce Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 I know that 4 years ago they were trying to sell the molds. So I think thats when they stopped. It s too bad that most of us never tried Northwaves and probably never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 we learned from direct sources that nortwave even threw the molds away anyway; so unless someone wants to buy the plans and make them again its gone for good! N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 we learned from direct sources that nortwave even threw the molds away anyway; so unless someone wants to buy the plans and make them again its gone for good!N. That's crazy! I've heard boot molds cost a fortune - upwards of $20,000 per shell size! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dano Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Should have put them on BOL classifieds! They would have gotten at least 50 bucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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