heyadams Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Designated carving hill, a crazy idea??? Has anyone ever promoted the idea of a designated carving hill, similar to a terrain park? It could be gated on top with signage explaining the rules and maybe some tips on how to carve. Put in a high visibility area (under a lift) to attract more interest. Open to skiers and boarders alike. Groom it 4 times a day (OK, now I’m really dreaming) 10 years ago who would have thought they would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on special equipment and labor to build terrain parks? This is easy in comparison. I would gladly wait 10 minutes to have a shot at a completely empty hill on a busy day. - Would provide a congregation area for carvers to get to know each other - Would increase our skills, your fellow carvers are watching - Would promote the sport of carving and attract more participants (read more demand for gear = more manufactures providing product = more local shops stocking gear) Pipe dream????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stickmansurf Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Pipe Dream....not necessarily. No pun intended put it wasn't that long ago that 1/2 pipes were a pipe dream at many resorts. Remember though, at one point, skiers were not allowed in 1/2 pipes. Another item.... when many skiers really disliked snowboarders and viewed us as "dangerous" , they wanted to segregate us to our own hill. Would this turn out to be an "I told you so" on their part? Maybe we should just pony-up and buy a small resort and have rider-owners (similar to Mad River Glen) and make it a snowboard-only mountain. Ditchside housing, anyone? Stickman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy D Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I think this was done at one of the ECES's at Stratton. Correct me if I'm wrong? This is a Fantastic Idea! However, given current carver volumes, I think it is only feasible during expression sessions, where there would be a constant flow of carvers to entertain the lift and lodge audience. If I could ever make the time to get to an expression session, I would definitely ride a carver only trail. Yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gawdzira Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 You are preaching to the choir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vahur Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 This riding on closed slope one by one is called ... umm, racing (at least I believe that this is correct word). Whole slope only for you, all others watching. Not sure about 10 minutes waiting time, usually it takes longer.. On downside is also that they plant poles on track for some reason unknown yet to me. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stoked Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 a hill/trail mostly to carve at will but with manmade bumps in the right places for jump turns plus some gates for racing plus a Limbo challenge at the bottom would be a good start I think ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Dasai Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 There are easily enough carvers at <a href="http://www.hunter.co.jp">my local mountain</a> to justify this, but most of those carvers are on skis. A run set aside for carving would be very busy. But I don't see what the advantage is. Those carving skiers are my biggest danger because their turns are fairly shallow and they go FAST, which isn't so compatible with my full-C turns. I'd probably want to avoid any hill that was set aside for carving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyadams Posted December 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Allright, no skiers, I was just trying to be nice Also I have to disagree with the guy who brought up racing. The goal in racing is to beat the other person down the hill......period. Carving is about going fast, but it's also about STYLE. I got to see Klug race last year and he was fast (he won), but he wasn't pretty. The course was rutted out and these guys were all over the place trying to keep it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagen Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 A skier once told me that he participated in carve races somewhere in Europe. They basically got judged on speed and carve style... So there is a compromise. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Actually, I believe I've seen this being covered in SAM magazine (Ski Area Management). Very interesting article. Quite cheap to maintain too as opposed to terrain park! Originally posted by heyadams Designated carving hill, a crazy idea??? Has anyone ever promoted the idea of a designated carving hill, similar to a terrain park? It could be gated on top with signage explaining the rules and maybe some tips on how to carve. Put in a high visibility area (under a lift) to attract more interest. Open to skiers and boarders alike. Groom it 4 times a day (OK, now I’m really dreaming) 10 years ago who would have thought they would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on special equipment and labor to build terrain parks? This is easy in comparison. I would gladly wait 10 minutes to have a shot at a completely empty hill on a busy day. - Would provide a congregation area for carvers to get to know each other - Would increase our skills, your fellow carvers are watching - Would promote the sport of carving and attract more participants (read more demand for gear = more manufactures providing product = more local shops stocking gear) Pipe dream????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyadams Posted December 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Do you know what month? Or how to get a copy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARCrider Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 besides sabotaging the lift as you get off would be racing. If someone does get in your way you get to ask for a rerun.(not bx) racing is safe - You not only have the run to yourself but first aid is quick to arrive if you ditch it hard. The races I tried were usually not that technical. Clean carves and a speed suit would put you on the podium. Ruts were often side slipped away between racers. I highly recommend some racing or just race training to any carver looking to up their skill set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyadams Posted December 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Yea, they had one a Copper yesterday, but it was $25 for two runs, and there is no pre-race practice. I would love to do it but a day or two practising gates beforehand would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Mmm, Ill have to go to Town of Vail and dig 'em old SAM magazines. Originally posted by heyadams Do you know what month? Or how to get a copy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snowsamurai Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Hey I actually may be able to get you a carving hill at Wachusett. It would only bre feasable during an expression session, and we would have to run it like an"event" that would generate something positive for the mountain. I am the head of our new alpine department and am ggo friends with the vice president of the mountain. If I can get thirty or more people to come, I think I could get one of our race courses, and take the gates out. Peace Jerome Crandall Hollick Alpine coordinator Wachusett mtn Princeton Mass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snowsamurai Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Hey I actually may be able to get you a carving hill at Wachusett. It would only bre feasable during an expression session, and we would have to run it like an"event" that would generate something positive for the mountain. I am the head of our new alpine department and am good friends with the vice president of the mountain. If I can get thirty or more people to come, I think I could get one of our race courses, and take the gates out. Peace Jerome Crandall Hollick Alpine coordinator Wachusett mtn Princeton Mass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyadams Posted December 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Sounds great, too far away for me but who knows, if we get a few of these going it could start to snowball. I've got a few contacts at Copper and Breck and am going to seriously pursue it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 March 2004, page 12, by tom jacobs (not sure of auther's exact name) Originally posted by heyadams Do you know what month? Or how to get a copy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyadams Posted December 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Thanks, I will see if I can get my hands on a copy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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