Jack M Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I agree. When I hear of people getting hit multiple times I blame them, not the other people. +1. Never been hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 This is tough call, due it depends also where you ride, when you ride, how much you ride and how you ride so it is not so black and white. I've seen some hits where carver had no change to do anything than just take hit without seeing it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xy9ine Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 GeoffV - you've nailed it. you can't expect to re-educate the masses, so you've got to look out for yourself. i rode sportbikes as well and my mindset was similar - assume you're invisible, and everyone else on the road are idiots. though i've been snowboarding forever, i'm relatively new to 'real' carving, and i'm super cognizant of the disparity of styles (having been a 'zipperline' rider previously - neat term, boris, never heard that before). i'm a bit paranoid (esp on heelside turns) and have to keep reminding myself to check uphill periodically. on the subject of technique differentiation, i was thinking about it last time i was up the hill. hardpack, but carvable conditions, and most people, apart from a couple more skilled skiers doing big racer-esque gs turns, were more or less doing the tail wagging speedcheck / sideslip straightline thing down the hill. some guys were going really fast, but dynamically, it looks so boring. in the past, it would take super steeps, or powder dumps to get me excited, now caving a groomed blue is super fun. perhaps it's just my enthusiasm for something new, but i get the feeling that people are missing out on the possibilities. it's like a new sport to me. i'd like to think there's possibility for a resurgence of alpine - perhaps in conjunction w/ an aging OG demographic. anyways, meandering ramble off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 When I hear of people getting hit multiple times I blame them, not the other people. Some people have to carve at really busy resorts where an occasional collision is going to happen. (I would not ride in that situation personally ) Beyond that I agree with bumpyride, TT, and GeoffV. The carver often must assume the responsibility for avoiding collisions. I know the rules, I am basing that statement on experience. I have only been lightly bumped once, and I could have avoided it. If someone did hit Rebecca or myself because they were being stupid or oblivious, we would deal with them firmly, depending on how they acted after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Seems like the more accomplish rider were better at avoiding collision. Perhaps those steep run require the skier/rider to have more control/skill to begin with. It's very diffcult for those of us who is starting out or at least for me... Check where my head/shoulder/knee/hip is Am I push or pulling? Crap that tress is coming awfully fast:eek: Oooo that feel nice what did I do different? Trees!! All the above require concerntrations plus it doesn't help on a crowded green/blue trial; It's harder to pay attention to the uphill skier. It's no excuse; but please do give noob like me a break :) -- David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 A couple of years ago at a Tahoe area resort, 5 of us were told by ski patrol that people were complaining. Not about the trenches. We were told that we could not go side to side on the runs anymore. I figured we must have held up someone important at the resort.We ignored patrol completely and they never said anything else. what tahoe area? might be added to my real world ignore list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Seems like the more accomplish rider were better at avoiding collision.Perhaps those steep run require the skier/rider to have more control/skill to begin with. It's very diffcult for those of us who is starting out or at least for me... Check where my head/shoulder/knee/hip is Am I push or pulling? Crap that tress is coming awfully fast:eek: Oooo that feel nice what did I do different? Trees!! All the above require concerntrations plus it doesn't help on a crowded green/blue trial; It's harder to pay attention to the uphill skier. It's no excuse; but please do give noob like me a break :) -- David If your profile is correct, try a smaller board (unless you are a pretty big guy). We were all beginners too and had to work through the same, too many thoughts in our head, stuff. Paying attention to riders above you is critical. Even more so as a beginner because your motions are more erratic and you are generally moving slower down the fall line (you will have a lot more riders passing you). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 what tahoe area?might be added to my real world ignore list. It was an isolated incident and the local carvers asked that it not be posted. I was using to point out how different our riding style is from the norm and that we must often fend for ourselves. I'll send a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwalann Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 +1. Never been hit. -1 for you since you have no experience in the matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Houghton Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Interesting that I can get down the hill just as fast as a straightliner on skiis but I'm going back and forth across the fall line using almost the whole trail. If we convert distance travelled per $ paid, we carvers are FAR ahead of the straightliners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 one of my favorite sayings... You might beat me to the bottom, but I will have traveled twice as far:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikerdad Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I guess I'll have to remember to appologize next time a straightliner takes be out from behind since it's been determined by the "experts" that I must be doing something wrong and that the straightliners are in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Hooger Booger Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Over here in Southern Ontario, Canada the resort I ride at Blue Mountain is always jam packed, as in the singles line can get 100 feet long and start going up the hill. Weekdays usually dead, but weekends man, ridiculous, sucks to be a carver here, Whiteface Mountain in Lake Placid when I went was MUCH better, and I went during the holiday season, not busy at all, but it's the closest topographic feature on the East Coast to a real mountain. :( unfortunately I wasn't on hard boots at the time to take advantage of the wide GS perfect runs near the summit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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