Newmax

Ok, then I'll use the quoting, cause I don't want to be misunderstood again. First of all, my point is only the SES-package (not the lift tickets or anything else) just the package wort 220$ as last year and the first time I was happy with this deal, even without demoing! But this year the package was a "money-dump" for me, and my friends I convinced to buy it. Haven't seen any complaints somewhere else Do you have the links to them? In this thread there were two people writing before your post, so Alex was complaining? He did a much better job on trying to say something negative in a nice, polite way than I did. I'd love to be able to write it nicely, that the opposite doesn't feel offended. This also means that I didn't want to just complain, I was just mentioning, that (again...) this years package deal was no deal for me, why I have this impression. They do it for free cause the love to get the community growing and improving, don't they? That's great and we should thank them for it! But then a mean question, don't take it too serious: Why do you have to pay for a SES package then, if they do it for free? ;) As far as the kegs go, I agree, but the come-togethers in the evening, I don't. And again, I'm not talking about the SES itself, and being in Aspen. I'm talking about the SES package, that said to include these evenings. And, yes I have to agree with JFluff, no package for me anymore. But then the big community will split into more and more pieces. And that's the reason I came up with it, to try to prevent this, but it didn't work out as it seems... Edith says to Skully: interesting point, that the package is for the demoing insurance. Ok, but then this should be made clear in the beginning, shouldn't it? (out of interest :) )

Sky B.....e...o...ar!

Ok, now let me comment on yours please: "Lift tickets in Aspen @ the window are up to $96/day just for reference. I purchased three days of lifts through Michelle for $201. Pretty good deal IMHO." Yes, i agree, the lift ticket deal with Bomber is great! thanks to Michelle and Fin again But I'm not talking about the lift ticket deal, that you can buy without the package, I' talking about the package itself! :) "$55 for the banquet was money well spent. IMHO the banquet is about being with your fellow carvers in a social enviorment and getting a chance at some SERIOUS schwag. All it takes is one Donek/Coiler/Virus/Prior/etc voucher to pay for 15 years of banquet tickets..." That's one feeling I didn't want to mention, but seriously, sometime I have the feeling, that at the "social events" the raffle and the "hopefully picked up big Schwag" is more important than the eating/having drinks together/... . Did you notice, that as soon as the "grab schwag" was over almost everyone left? :( "I do agree the food was disappointing, but that's not what it was about for me (Yes the keg was floating too by the time I got in the door). I probably had more issue with lack of seating since me and my best friend arrived a little late and the whole place was filled up. The bathroom situation was even more rediculous...one bathroom for 100+ people? And btw thanks to whoever rocked the bathroom 1/2 way through dinner...I'm sure Fin loved having to deal with that! Lesson learned, and I'm sure Michelle is well aware of these issues and will take corrective action for future events...not to mention Fin and Michelle were the ones giving up THEIR dinner table seats for me and my best friend to eat dinner. How cool is that?" Agreed, this is really a very pleasant and nice thing. Thumps up for this! "I demo'd Thursday only and since I didn't buy a package I paid $20 to demo that day. $20 to demo the latest and greatest boards is nothing. I was asked to pay $30+ to demo a Lib Tech board from a local snowboard shop in comparison..." Again, I didn't talk about demoing! And I didn't want to, since last year i was not really demoing! And still the package was a great deal! Now, if you tell me, that demoing for 2-3 runs cost $30+ at your local shop, I'm amazed! Do you mean renting for a day perhaps? Still, I know Fin, Michelle and the rest do a hard job running the tent for many manufactueres, and it's ok with me to pay a fee for that. On the other hand, from my last years experience, the demo-part was just a litlle bit of the whole package, and not the main thing, cause there were great parties. This year it's been the other way around: No parties, but "just" demoing :) "The after hours events are generously donated by folks like Bomber, Hardbooter, Pureboarding, etc. These shouldn't even be mentioned as part of the package so there are no expectations. As far as I know this is coming straight out of these guys' pocket." That is what I was trying to say: this year I had to learn it, that the package is only for demoing, not the parties included, though you have to pay entrance to a party, if u don't have the package. And I'm also thankful to Billy, Joerg, Dave,... etc for their generosity to share these after hour parties! Now, read my post again: Didn't I post, that there were great parties like the pureboarding or the hardbooter one, did I? The only thing I was "complaining" about was the fact, that the last years evenings sponsored by the organizer Bomber were not as good as last year or didn't even happen! "If you think Billy and Dave (for example) are getting rich running Hardbooter.com you are mistaken so I would say this is coming straight out of their personal cashflow." Did I say this anywhere???? Did you read my post at all? "If you want more sponser funded after hours events then perhaps we should look at having this event at Ski Cooper instead of Aspen? Then you guys can see what really slow lifts are like! :) I'm sure they would give us package $20 lift tickets and such...hell they probably would give us the whole moutain!" Great comment... now I regret to try saying what I felt about the evenings and the package this year...

Yesterday and today I fell asleep during work... ouch!

Thanks Alex! and I'd like to point out, that I sign this at 100% ! It's just the "decrease in quality" from last year to this years SES, what made me start this Fred :( not the need to complain :D

Hi all, after arriving safely at home and having calmed down a bit, I just wanted to give my feedback on some flaws, not knowing how to write them, well let's just go: First of all, I loved to be in Aspen again, had a great time with all the guys I met again or for the first time. The trip there again was really worth it. We had a great time on the mountains and on some evenings. So, big thanks for the organization and work to all included (Fin, Michelle, ...) But one thing I'm a bit disappointed about, and I'd like to write up, what I was missing this year: Since this was my second SES, and due to the experience with last years package and the evening events provided with it, I convinced my this years fellows (Luigi and Newton), to buy it again. It might be important to mention, that I (we) were not traveling to Aspen, to do extended demoing. I went there for carving and evening "communications" :) But still, the package last year was worth the money, though we didn't do demoing at all. But this year, i have to commit, that it was a mistake. Some really nice things from last year I was hoping for has been either canceled or just not as good as last year: - Opening evening with small buffet and Weissbier - didn't even make it on the schedule instead we had free beer @bumps which was out before we could get the straps for it :( - Bomber house party - on schedule but canceled? Last years best evening just canceled, what a pity :( - Session ending Banquet - beef plus so many other things as much as you can eat last year, compared to fish and pork, but "only two pieces!" plus a bit of salad and meshed potatoes and some bread... So, in the end, I feel a bit embarrassed about convincing Luigi and Newton to buy the package for the parties, but unfortunately I can't help it. Unfortunately... On the other hand, we still had some great evenings: pureboarding party (thanks Jörg + friends), hardbooter beer, which did not run out after 15 minutes (thanks Dave and Bill) ;) and we had a fantastic time there and that's what matters! See you hopefully in two years! Cheers Max

Eric, you wimp, get your lazy a$$ off the couch, order a flighticket for tomorrow and come with us! It won't be any cheaper than this time! I promise, that we'll have fun, and think of the "homesitters" when we're rockin' da Rockies! A pity, that you can't join us, but you got many invites! :D

:D Do I read something like "Please let me try it" in your lines? Well, it's ok with me!

"Ute" - Virus Undertaker Evolution

What do you mean by "reconnect"??? :o:ices_ange

No need to be sorry, my prayers are with you... and me

Well, even better 21, as far as you want one of those beers!

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Already done Is it ok, to pick them up @ the first day of SES on Buttermilk?

Indeed! I just hope it fits into the plane to SES

Ray, this sounds like the start of my season with my "Ute" (Undertaker Evolution): After the first two days riding it, I thought: Ok, I opened my mouth way too much, This is the limit, I will never ride this on a narrow run, only the big, wide glacier runs are ok with that. The speed and the big radius, just scary. After in total of 5 to 6 days of riding, this turned into: Ok, I can ride this baby almost anywhere: push into small carves when you need it, or just let it go for speeeeeed Glad, that you have fun with your toy, I'll meet you in Aspen Cheers Max

Hi Dan. Unforunately we're just arriving on Saturday at the beginning of SES, but we'll also be boarding then on Sat 14th. Let's meet at some day during SES? Max PS: I'll try to speed down a bit without breaking any equipment ;)

As far as I know, they are very busy with the preparations for a big trade fair! But they are still i business! Cheers Max

Yes, but only schedule 1 has two days of snowmass in, which is much nicer than Buttermilk (imho), thats why I'd prefer schedule 1!

Hi Feli! What about the "Hot-tub-party" that was planned last year? Will there be one this time? I also can't wait to get on my plane and fly to USA... :D See you soon!

Ray, how is Aspen at the moment snow and weatherwise? Can't wait to do some Speedcarving with you and your Evo. Hope you can keep up with me and my "Ute" sponsored by Viagra

Yes we have been there, we will be there again! It's great! Esp. the breakfast was a "must-have" for this years SES! Man, I can't wait for it. Great info, thanks Fin. This makes some more beers than in Aspen! So now only the car and the Bomberpackage is missing! :) Cheers Max

Bekommst du auch! Flights are booked, hotel (the same as last year) too. Now I'd need some help, how I can get a "cheap" but huge car at Denver airport. The car-rental-sites are kind of unexact about the car size, ane we need something "appropriate" Is there a chance to get a H3 for little moneybags?

Ouch... hoped that I'll never have to do this anymore... :D We'll see ;)