Chubz Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Folks, just looking for input on opening up my railed turns from tight arcs to something a little larger, if not much larger. In recent weeks, I have felt my riding jump to the next level and my confidence is ever-increasing on the boards I am currently riding, which include RT Sabertooth 173 GS, MADD170 and MADD 158. With that increasing confidence, my arcs are becoming tighter and tighter. At the same time, board speed has been decreasing as I am linking more and more tight arcs together, thus only using half widths of the trail. I've stayed away from larger sidecut radius boards, simply due to trail widths where I ride, but as my skills/confidence level has been increasing, I am interested in discovering what will allow me to utilize the entire width of the trail once again with larger arced turns, maintaining speed and still railing it. Looking for input from you folks on what type/brand of boards, length, sidecut radius and/or stiffness ratings that will help with what I described above. Thanks Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 i don't wanna do some silly promotion.. but a board with a progressive sidecut let's you easyli change the radius while on the edge. if not available, try to bring some pressure to the rear foot right after starting the carve. means, don't push long from the front or the middle of the board. of corse this works not on all kinds of boards, depending on construction and charakters. just give it a try:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 i don't wanna do some silly promotion.. but a board with a progressive sidecut let's you easyli change the radius while on the edge. How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 It's fun! I've got a Coiler PR 188, 15.7 sidecut which is just a blast to ride. If you're worried about maneuverability try something that's a bit shorter but still with a larger sidecut, it's easier to snake around and based on the small sample size I've tried, won't pick up speed quite as quickly when run flat. When I'm having a good day I can actually turn the 188 pretty tight. When I'm not on my A game, it can be a bit much to handle. Judging from what I saw at SES, I've got a lot of room for improvement in my riding so you may be able to crank such a board tight on any day ;) Oh, and as far as stiffness goes: bigger sidecuts make a board feel stable at speed so you don't need to go super-stiff. Obviously, compare notes with others in your weight range if you can't demo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 How? ..just move your weight buddy...;) don't stay on the board like 'glued' in one position, bring in some serious movement from front to back. i'm sorry for my lack in english words for professional translation....:o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubz Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 You hit it right on the head. looking for a board, that I can give it all I've got and it still has more open arcs, simply because it was designed to ride that way, not because I decide to ease up and the arcs bcome more open.. I can ride my existing boards so they arc at different sizes, but I'm looking for one that I can throw everything I've got at it and it still produces open arcs. I hope this makes sense. I think my best bet it to attend an expressions session next year and get a taste of different boards. Thanks for the input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFluff Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I live and die by boards that are under 170. The most important spec to look at from my 17 years of riding experience is board stiffness. As long as you have a good stiff board you can turn slalom turns into any radius turn you want. A soft board can't handle the pressure. ON the other hand when you go out and get a long board its much harder to pull the board through to make tight turns when needed. So a shorter board, once ridden correctly is much more versatile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 JJ has got a point. I wouldn't put all my stock on stiffness though, it's the boards overall characteristics. How often you go out and how hard do you want to work the board can help define what kind of board you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubz Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 But I'm not looking to work a board that is versatile into diff sized arcs. My MADD's live up to that. They allow any sized arc that I desire and are being ridden correctly. I'm looking for that board that no matter how hard I push the thing, it stills holds big open arcs, at speed and while be on rail. One that is going to fight back a bit. The reason I am looking is b/c I mostly ride weekday mornings and the slopes are open for the most part and I wanna use all of the slope, while pushing the hell outta the board. When I push my current boards, the arcs just get tighter and I'm not using the entire width of the slope and losing some speed due to fully carved "C's". Sure I can adjust my riding to make my current boards open up and use the entire slope, but I feel like I am being lazy on them when I do that. I'm not out for full days typically (2-3 hours) so when I am out, I'm giving it everything I have in the tank for 15-20 runs. I want a big fast board that will maintain speed, rail and bite back at me a bit. This will be a board for certain days that the slopes are open and I can let it run. Analogy I can give is I am current carving size 12 font "C's". I wanna carve size 20 font "C's" because that is the smallest the board can make, because of the way it is designed and not by choice. as far as identifying the specs of a board that will fulfill this thread, that is the intent of the thread. To help me ID that board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 get the 180 and open it up also many of the stiffer GS sticks with big SCR might work as well such as the older Prior WCRs willy whit is selling his burner 197, that would probably fit the bill, very rider friendly for such a big board too if thats not enough for you then you're gonna have to go big or custom maybe something like the Coiler 190 PureRace SG or the 196 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubz Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Bob Thanks trying to track a 180 down. Speaking to Shaggy is part of the reason I am insearch of a bigger beast of a board, but I havent had any luck tracking any down. Will note your other comments and drop Willy a line. Maybe he needs a 16m kite? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 forgot to mention that stiffness is so damn important but your needs will vary, here in the east I like my boards much softer, more friendly on ice out west in the soft groom I like them super stiff I see that you are in PA so I would think that ice is common, go with a softer board in that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Houghton Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Greg You're really into the realm of customs with your request, unless you can get that 197 Burner. Sounds like you need at least a 17m sidecut on a stiffer board, and as others pointed out, that may not work so well on ice. My riding buddy has a 202 Tinkler with a 15/17 sidecut, and it turns ridiculously tight when you consider the specs, so you need to go BIG to get what you want. Split tail may even be a bad idea because it will tighten up the turns compared to the same board specs without the split. Wish I could ride every weekday morning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 But I'm not looking to work a board that is versatile into diff sized arcs. I'm looking for that board that no matter how hard I push the thing, it stills holds big open arcs, at speed and while on rail. Well, you've answered your own question: Sidecut. A board that is stiff doen't necessarly mean it will ride well and the length of the board doesn't imply stability. And, if you find the board that makes the same turn no matter how hard you push it, let me know. It you want to put all your eggs in one basket, buy a board a retail or have one custom made. Buying used race stock boards in the classified saves money and resells with minimal loss. You can also get an idea of what brand of board you like, produced at a custom level, and then decide if you want to spend the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rphillips Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 There were 3 or 4 of these at SES as demos. Talk to Mike at Madd about a discount on one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west carven Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 in the same boat a shorter board for longer arcs. i'm thinking the only way is to get a custom board. maybe a 160 with a 13 or 14 scr. with a medium flex for lighter riders and a hard flex for heavy riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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