Guest yexotay Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I am amazed at how easy these heels came apart and here is the loverly pic of my leg three weeks after the wreck that resulted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 damn. what are the big holes in your calf? even though this is the only time Ive ever heard of this happening, its still scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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knoch Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 So that's after surgery? I'd hate to think that all of that happened as you were tumbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I am really sorry to see you like that and wish you all the best with a fast recovery! Would you mind sharing how old those Intec heels are and what you body weight is? Was the accident because of failure of the Intec heel, or did you crash and the heel broke because of some major impact? Many thanks! Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ-PS Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Anyone know of any reason why I wouldn't be able to see that last pic? I can see the first two of the boots, but that last of the leg doesn't come through. I had surgery on my hand last year, so I'm kinda interested. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Houghton Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Call me a wussy Luddite, but I tried Intecs and things like this failure kept popping into my head as I was riding. Unless there is more technology in the development (solid aluminum heel block, better attachment to the boot, failsafe two pin mechanism) I prefer the simpler system of clamping the boot on to the binding. Carvers sometimes put extreme loads on equipment, perhaps even exceeding the design limits or intended use of the part, and like in this instance really suffer the consequence. The convenience of not having to bend over and clamp in is not worth the loss of a riding season due to product failure. I wish you all the best, that your recovery is speedy, and that you can get back on to the hill ASAP without any long term effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Dasai Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Originally posted by Chris Houghton Call me a wussy Luddite... Wussy luddite! From the other recent threads about Intecs it seems there are just as many, if not more, inadvertant releases with bails. Neither system seems particularly good from a safety perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamran Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Unless there is more technology in the development (solid aluminum heel block, better attachment to the boot, failsafe two pin mechanism) I prefer the simpler system of clamping the boot on to the binding. Couldn't agree more. From the other recent threads about Intecs it seems there are just as many, if not more, inadvertant releases with bails. A better look at those threads would reveal that "inadvertant releases with bails" happen to rather inferior products. Bombers and Cateks appear to be immune for sudden bail releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jeremiah Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I've had my TD1s release several times, most recently this past Sunday. I think it was because I didn't properly adjust them to my new boots, and because of the very cold weather, but even good bindings aren't perfect. Jeremiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Could you open heelpiece and take pic that shows what has happened inside heelpiece ? Specially cause in side picture it looks that heelpiece is not broken as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Has anyone replaced there original heels for wear and tear ? If so, what was the deciding factor? Thanks JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 yeah, you know...there needs to be some definite investigation here. F2 should be notified, and the heels sent to them maybe, for inspection this seems totally uncommon but if its something that can be avoided... maybe your weight was a factor. If so, there are other big dudes using intec heels and if weight limitations need to be imposed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skully Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Yipeee. I just ordered intecs. This thread really makes me look forward to getting them....... Maybe I'll be sending them back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I think the questions are: Was this a defective lot of heels? Did something change in the manufacturing? Everyone that I know that rides Intec that are a few years old...have never had any problems. Anybody want to buy a brand new set of heels? Hugh :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 A better look at those threads would reveal that "inadvertant releases with bails" happen to rather inferior products. Bombers and Cateks appear to be immune for sudden bail releases. I wish. I had plenty of trouble with both, at every reasonable tightness setting, before giving up on them and switching to Intec. Seems to me that if you lean hard enough* on the boot, the heel ledge will work its way out from under the bail. I even tried welding metal tabs on my Catek bails to make them fit better against the curvature of the boot, but they still let go. * Hard enough = hit a table top jump and come up short on the landing, thus landing on the flat like a ton of bricks. Most of the failures happened that way, except for a couple when I had the tension way too high or way too low (tried a lot of settings hoping to find a sweet spot, but never found one). I was feeling pretty good about Intecs, but this freaks me out. Mine have served me well, but... ugh. I feel for you, yexotay. This is horrible. There has to be a better way to solve this problem. So what if it's more expensive, but these are our ****ing knees we're talking about. Was it the plastic part of the heel that failed? I can't really tell from the photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamran Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 NateW, So even bombers and cateks cause a lot of accidental bail release? I was under the impression that these 2 brands were very reliable in that regard and I'm currently shopping around for them. Hmmm,.... Personally I have never had an accidental bail release with Burton race plates and snowpro(unless the setup was poor with boot shell fitting in the bails). But like you said, these are our legs and our knees and it's just one time too many!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dold Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Anyone know if the F2 stepins are significantly more flexible in side-to-side motion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by kamran NateW, So even bombers and cateks cause a lot of accidental bail release? sorry, but they dont _cause_ the release. Nate said the releases happened on big flat landings. Thats an immense amout of pressure applied very suddenly. Id say more than a carve, and far more abruptly. what happened to the original poster SUCKS horribly, but so little detail has been given, and..its the only incident Ive heard of. Anyone else? I would say inspect ANY piece of gear regularly. Maybe even every time youre going out, or at least weekly. This would include opening and inspecting your intec heels. Nothing is failsafe. again I say that this person should talk to the manufacturer. Im 100% certain they would want to find out the cause of this failure and if it was indeed equipment failure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I realize that this is somewhat off topic. Outside of early failure does anyone have a sense of when the heels should be replaced. I have probably 70 days on mine and they seem fine, although there is play in the pins (not sure if they always had the same level of play or not) Maintenance.... after snapping a cable, Every summer, I open them up, grease them with phil wood hub grease and put in new cables if they are frayed even one strand (at least one usual is) Another thought is should we grease the pins so that they move more freely around the hole and put less pressure on the inside of the heels and less wear on the bindings? JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 when you say playin the pins, do you mean up and down or side to side, not in and out? I dont think they should move up and down or side to side...and if mine were Id probably replace them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I'm starting now 5th season with my heels and they have bout 60+ days per season due no more time for higher season numbers. Cables are more problematic, but i have spare ones on car allways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 So even bombers and cateks cause a lot of accidental bail release? I would not say that they cause a LOT of release, as it only happened under unusual circumstances. Most people don't have as much of a problem as I did, probably because most people are smart enough not to undershoot big tabletops. :) How ever I would say that they do cause release. I figure if my boot comes out of my binding and the boot is intact, the binding is at fault. Even if the circumstances are unusual. Bad landings happen sometimes - binding releases should not happen, ever. That said, I still think that they are the best bindings on the market. Unlike many other bindings (perhaps most), they do not break. That's one less failure mode to worry about. I just think they could be better, and should be better. The shape of the heel bail for both TD and Catek bail bindings should be revised to better match the shape of the heel of the boot. But until that happens I'm riding intec. (And praying that mine don't blow up.) On second thought, I haven't seen the heel bails on Catek Olympics, so for all I know they may already have been improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Hmm, thinking about this, I remember that I managed to break my boot (Rachlie 225) and also my ankle whilst riding an Intec/F2 binding system. The boot remained fastened into the binding. Some may have bigger boots and fatter ankles, but it seems to me that this demonstrates fairly well that the bindings are strong enough, at least for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark.Andersen Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Hey PhilW, I also broke a boot and an ankle inRaichle 225s. I was attached to Intec TD1s. The crappy cant mech in the SB series completely gave out. Not the typical stripping; it cracked and came apart. That left my foot firmly trapped in the lower boot without any support from the cuff. The Intec heels held up fine, but my ankle suffered a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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