Corey Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 The carbon butterfly popped off the used Madd 158 in the first turn. It kind of felt like stepping on a crumbling wood bridge as I decambered it. *crackle* POP! I guess Madd's adhesive was never rated for -25C (-13F)! Damn. I recall someone did a very exhaustive 'how to' post on their process or re-gluing the butterfly on a Madd, but I can't find it now. Can anyone help me find that? Or, make other recommendations? I have a slight concern in that the butterfly clearly wasn't epoxied on but rather was glued or double-side-taped down as the exposed area is quite sticky. Not sticky enough to just re-adhere the butterfly through as I can pop if off while hand-flexing the board. Was part of the Madd characteristic due to some damping effect of this glue in shear? If I epoxy it down will I change the board's character? Or is all of this futile and it'd be better to just hang it on a wall? Thanks for any advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAlexander Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 This kind of sounds like maybe it was not fabbed correctly. Possible wrong epoxy resin/hardener ratio. It may need a resurfacing at the bond areas, clean/scarify. I could possibly re-press it for you. We would have to talk more about the details, via a phone call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Found the thread I was looking for: http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?34477-Replacing-a-Madd-X-wing SEJ, did you ever hear how the owner liked the repaired board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 With the amount of solvent that will be necessary it doesn't sound like the kind of project you would want to conduct indoors. Especially in Winnipeg in the winter time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Haha, no! IF I were to tackle this, it would be a summer project. The report back from SEJ (Scott) and Kendrick was that the Madd 170 in the thread above is still in use and as good as ever. If anything, he says it's better than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEJ Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 This board was a later 170. The X wing was very thin and held on with double sided tape. It is now epoxied on with West systems G flex epoxy. Overall a fun project. Corey, I found the rest of the thread. It's page 2! Duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 Dont repair it...just post it and say something like. ?"is this safe"....I always laugh at those posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 An update to this thread: the tips of the X were pretty hard to lift once back at room temperature. By hard I mean that I was actually a little worried I'd kink/break the carbon while trying to pull it up. That double-sided tape is sticky! I wasn't sure how I was going to get the whole butterfly off before I tried to epoxy it in the summer. Then I realized - it popped off in the cold, why not just leave it outside and see if bending it will do some of the work for me? As soon as I thought that, we had unseasonably warm weather... :( But last night it was -27C at 7 PM, and the overnight low was -36C! Perfect, at least for this. I left it outside for a couple hours after supper, and brought it in to see if it was cold enough. Plant the tail on some carpet, grab the nose, and flex the board with my free hand. CRACK!! The whole freaking butterfly let go with such a loud noise that I feared I'd busted the board right in half! That's crazy; this board served it's two previous owners well in California, but that tape just crumbled in cold weather. I can't be the first to subject a 2nd-gen 158 to cold weather, can I? Or maybe this one had bad tape but it was good enough for the temperate climate of California? Once it was back to room temp, the tape residue was sticky again. Really sticky! I've never experienced anything so sticky! I resorted to covering both the board and the butterfly with toilet paper so they wouldn't bond to each other! (Or my arm hair) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEJ Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Corey, did you end up with the plastic membrane stuck to the board or the wing? The biggest bitch I had was getting the membrane off. (It protected the adhesive from the solvent) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 It's a mix, some is stuck to each. Most is on the board. That's the carrier layer, basically a way to place the glue somewhere in a tape form. All double-sided tapes have similar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-sided_tape It looks like it stuck well to the board and the wing, but not to its own carrier layer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEJ Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 You might be in luck, mine was stuck to the wing. Probably a lot easier to get it off the deck. Work a little solvent into it and see if you can get it to start coming off. (I used goof off) Then put it back outside. Might be able to pull it right off! With the membrane off it will be easy to get the adhesive residue off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Just buy one of my original 158's. Keep your repaired on as a spare. Clean the goof off residue with starter fluid or really pure alcohol. or both..starter fluid first and then alcohol to leave zero residue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Original as in THE original (the 90s version) ??? Just buy one of my original 158's. Keep your repaired on as a spare. Clean the goof off residue with starter fluid or really pure alcohol. or both..starter fluid first and then alcohol to leave zero residue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Original as in THE original (the 90s version) ??? http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?42149-Selling-both-my-original-Madd-158-s-perfect-flex-inserts-intact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Apparently no bite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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