D-Sub Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 oh come on man! If people are buying stuff at the prices he sets, why would he lower his prices? the way I see it, Dennis, if you read this, more and more people are going to shy away from you as a seller because you come off like a total prick. Your feedback is HORRIBLE and your responses make you look insane. Why do you post negative/retaliatory responses to POSITIVE feedback? I dont care what you do with your sales. You have every right to set whatever price you want, but I have seen you be deceitful more than once, like with the recent TrenchDigger auction in which you stated the bindings were worth $300 new. Those bindings were YEARS old and have since been replaced by a newer model. most who were looking at TDs would know this, but the ones who dont, you were basically lying to. again...sorry folks but telling him what he "should" charge is just ridiculous. If enough people dont buy his gear, the prices will have to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDY_2_Carve Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 again...sorry folks but telling him what he "should" charge is just ridiculous. If enough people dont buy his gear, the prices will have to drop. I'm not telling him to do anything...it's advice plain and simple. The money he would save on listing fees + final sale cost percentages would justify a 10%+ discount on his prices if he sold in the classifieds here on BOL. And hell he might actually sell something for once. People are idiots and will buy anything. That's the beauty of Ebay. I could list my 10 year old underwear with skid marks and some dumba$$ would bid on it. IMHO he should go the extra mile for such a small community of alpine riders and try to offload some of that alpine stuff here at a discount. Obviously he's going to do whatever the hell he wants, and seeing how everybody here is already pretty tainted on him I'd seriously doubt he's every going to sell anything on BOL. Seeing his mostly unsuccessful Ebay auctions I'm wondering if he ever sells much of anything alpine related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 listing fees and final value dont add up to 10%, not even with paypal Im not saying ebay rules, but...its usually the best place to get stuff really, relaly cheap, and offers the most exposure I hate the place. Im truly considering boycotting them entirely, for one of the reasons U12 rants about in his auctions (being forced to accept paypal payments. ebay calls it "fee avoidance" if you dont want to. talk about a monopoly) youre paying to LIST and youre paying to get paid. twice to the same company. GRRRRR anyway...it did sound very much like you were telling him what he "should" do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pow Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 I could list my 10 year old underwear with skid marks and some dumba$$ would bid on it. Ive been looking for some of those! ill give you 50 bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Ive been looking for some of those! ill give you 50 bucks TMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 It must be slow when the slumloards start digging up an old thread about themselves.... Whats up when you start searching your own name and the post like you are some other dude...... I can't understand how some one would think they are helping out the cause with such stupid pricing. Its a shame the guy has a great collection of rad gear but no one in the industry likes or respects him... and then he just smears his name on e-bay. I have spoken with him and his staff several times only to be disapointed everytime.... Worst vibe shop in SLC....Unless you are hood rat.. But still worth checking out just for the toys on the wall. You make the call on giving the cat your hard earned cash.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I have spoken with him and his staff several times only to be disapointed everytime.... Worst vibe shop in SLC....Unless you are hood rat.. But still worth checking out just for the toys on the wall. You make the call on giving the cat your hard earned cash.... May I inquire like in what way you're disappointed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 come on, Lee. you haven't seen enough? seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 come on, Lee. you haven't seen enough? seriously? i know i know. like i said, i got a friend who personally knows him and is sponsored by him and his shop who claimed he's a cool cat. he's my teammate. so you can see why im a bit torn on who's tellin' what on -BOTH- sides. Since Bordy's got 1st hand experience, I wanna know how so. Is that a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 no, its not a problem. maybe you dont even really need to form an opinion about him, OR...you could go meet him in person. online...wel...that much is clear. hell, look at how many people "dont like" ME online and...well....still dont like me in person ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Difference is...I'd purposely avoid Salty Peaks if i go to SLC, but next time I find myself in LA, I'm buying D-Sub a beer... Difference between acting like an a$$hole and having disagreements that can be discussed rationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 no, its not a problem. maybe you dont even really need to form an opinion about him, OR...you could go meet him in person.online...wel...that much is clear. hell, look at how many people "dont like" ME online and...well....still dont like me in person ;) hahaha, ok ok, ill say "uncle" for now. you got knacks of pushing people's button, unintentionally. that's one thing i like about you, you're damn straight shooter that sometimes i get irritated but got me thinking at times. -grin- allright, like tex said, ill buy you a beer when we meet up in person, cool? that goes for you, tex, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Difference is...I'd purposely avoid Salty Peaks if i go to SLC, but next time I find myself in LA, I'm buying D-Sub a beer...Difference between acting like an a$$hole and having disagreements that can be discussed rationally. you wont have to go to LA to do it. more later. Lee...I DEFINITELY rub people the wrong way. Sometimes its intentional...people irritate me often enough...but ask the folks I've ridden with...I'm ok. and I doubt anyone would hesitate to buy from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 you wont have to go to LA to do it. more later.Lee...I DEFINITELY rub people the wrong way. Sometimes its intentional...people irritate me often enough...but ask the folks I've ridden with...I'm ok. and I doubt anyone would hesitate to buy from me I wouldn't hestitate to buy fro you. :) 'sides, we oughta go ride sometimes. Unfortunely I dont go to SES, too often. Usually I go when its local, like beaver creek and the likes. Til then. And I dont mind your rubbing in my face, -SOMETIMES-. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 ewwww, dude! (I might be in CO this winter, so maybe Beaver Creek is an option) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 you know how I know you're gay? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 And I dont mind your rubbing in my face, -SOMETIMES-. :) :1luvu::1luvu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 and sure seems like a dick, to put it blunt lee, the thing is that some people are like that and if they are giving you the hookup of course you're gonna like them there was a local shop around here that I am not going to name but the guy who ran it would fleece people who were not in the know on skate decks, snowboards and briefly on bikes as well, the bikes are what he killed the buisiness with bought way to many then he could not sell them. all the people who were on the team liked him though, who doesn't like stuff either free or at wholesale price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 ok ok ok ok, i said "uncle!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis @ salty peaks Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 yes well...this isn't the place for you to run a business either try the Classifieds if you want to sell things. I'm a firm beleiver in you reap what you sow sorry i failed to read up on the "rules" before posting my "rant" its been adjusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis @ salty peaks Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 oh come on man! If people are buying stuff at the prices he sets, why would he lower his prices?the way I see it, Dennis, if you read this, more and more people are going to shy away from you as a seller because you come off like a total prick. Your feedback is HORRIBLE and your responses make you look insane. Why do you post negative/retaliatory responses to POSITIVE feedback? I dont care what you do with your sales. You have every right to set whatever price you want, but I have seen you be deceitful more than once, like with the recent TrenchDigger auction in which you stated the bindings were worth $300 new. Those bindings were YEARS old and have since been replaced by a newer model. most who were looking at TDs would know this, but the ones who dont, you were basically lying to. again...sorry folks but telling him what he "should" charge is just ridiculous. If enough people dont buy his gear, the prices will have to drop. \Wow you guys dont give anyone a chance here do you ! I sure didn’t intend to put "the community" in a tail spin over this nor did I realize our protest of paypal policy was creating such a stir, so im not sure where to start. I guess we can start with this thing called supply and demand for the last 5 years burton produced alpine gear and the industry was in a glut of excess gear we bought less and less alpine gear at wholesale prices and still had to sell it at or below cost to get it out the door but WE STILL supported it even when every other snowboard dealer had abandon it as nothing more than a gay segment of snowboarding.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> If you "guys" were not so cheap and paid for gear so the manufactures could stay in business or make money producing the gear you would have more choices, but today there are very few.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> I would say support the cateck, bomber, priors even if they are more expensive than closeout burton because if they cant keep the lights on you wont have that choice either! <O:p></O:p> There are a few places starting to build race boards again but they are expensive, the closeout boards and bindings are cheap as they are because the manufacture sold them cheap, dealers like us invested in that to support the alpine community and other niche markets.<O:p></O:p> Believe me we had better things to do with 100,000.00 than to invest in what some people would consider old outdated gear just to let it sit in storage as we sold it off, and if you bought that gear from us in the beginning it was much cheaper than today.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> But as the supply goes down the price goes up, if we could get more we would and it would be different but we cant get more and neither can anyone else until someone starts making it again.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> There are very few bindings boards and boots left but someone will be stoked to get a board at 199.00 299.00 or 349.00 when everything else is 600, 700, maybe more?<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> Then you will go <O:p></O:p> “God I should have bought 10 of those back when they were cheap”.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> Funny thing is its not going to get any better for any of us because the dollar is weak all over the world and seams to be slipping every day, our dependence on other countries to supply us with goods is making us weaker so your dollar buys less why do you think the Canadians are buying in America these days?<O:p></O:p> Because the Looney is worth nearly as much as the dollar now<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> LOOK AROUND YOU WHAT IS GETTING CHEAPER? HOUSING? FOOD? GAS? <O:p></O:p> NO ITS ALL MORE EXPENSIVE and its only going to get worse.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> Have you checked the prices on the new prior alpine boards? Wait till the 07 gear is out many brands will be seeing increases in cost much of it dependent on it's country of origin SO HEADS UP BOYS!<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> Hey d-sub sorry for not knowing the age on those bombers I don’t keep up on the different models of bomber binding like I should, I just know the ones you buy today are upwards of 300.00 as a retail price correct me if im wrong.<O:p></O:p> If you noticed I did not even list them as trench diggers I just took them off the board and tried to describe them the best I could I didn’t say they were a new model? <O:p></O:p> Sorry for the confusion<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> I don’t hide the fact that I don’t like some of the policies on ebay/paypal and the bs that happens there its too bad everyone didn’t know every one else because allot of the crap would go away. <O:p></O:p> Since day one we have had a policy of leaving negative feedback for all non payers regardless of "excuses" often they retaliate with negative feedback on us we don’t waste the time to get it removed mutually or otherwise, many sellers don’t bother to let others know about the non payers we do.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> But THOSE WHO PAY FOR THERE AUCTIONS GET WHAT THEY PAID FOR and most are stoked, don’t be blind to the thousands of positive feedbacks we have, the responses you spoke of are meant to be for those viewing our feedback to explain that we leave negative feedback for non payers and that the majority of our negatives are form non payer retaliation.<O:p></O:p> Ebay limits the space to explain so I agree it looks funny.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> On the other hand<O:p></O:p> IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE AND IT’S OUR FAULT WE MAKE IT RIGHT!<O:p></O:p> Even if it means bucking up and loosing money on shipping etc. <O:p></O:p> But if some idiot types his address wrong and we send it there and it comes back to us it’s that guy that pays to have it shipped again <O:p></O:p> Fair is fair.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> Maybe im the idiot for wanting to make it right here on bol or at least try to defend the accusations that are being flung around, if your bent because stuff is to expensive for you see above.<O:p></O:p> <O:p></O:p> If you feel I have wronged you in someway/ anyway I would like to know about it.<O:p></O:p> So at least have the backbone to shoot me an email and give me the opportunity to make it right. Especially you slc boys Im sure some of you haters will never change your views and that's ok, some people will never be happy and the world will always have haters <O:p></O:p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis @ salty peaks Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 PLEASE SEE RESPONSE BELOW IN CAPS Dennis is difficult at best to deal with.His long winded rants on eBay and Bomber are ridiculous. SORRY JUST TRYING TO CLAIRFY THINGS AND DEFEND FROM PERSONAL ATTACKS He pretends to be open, friendly and an easy going guy in his posts but when you deal with him one on one it is a whole different story. HAVE YOU EVER MEET ME? OBVIOUSLY NOT In reality he has other people running the eBay sales and is actually disconnected from the buyers. THIS IS TRUE ANY WHY WE PREFER IN STORE SALES SO WE CAN PROVIDE BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE AND SATISFACTION, WE DONT WIN CUSTOMER SERVICE AWARDS FOR NOTHING! \My beef with him is NOT the prices as much as the hoops he (or the actual person that runs the sales for him) makes you jump through to complete a sale. ACCEPTABLE PAYMENT TERMS ARE LISTED IN ALL AUCTIONS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ AND FALLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS IF YOU WERE TREATED UNFAIRLY BY ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT , SHOOT ME AN EMAIL AND LETS GET IT WORKED OUT! He says he accepts PAYPAL but when you try to pay he actually cancels the payment and then claims funds were never received and to top it off he leaves you negative feedback! WE TAKE PAYPAL ALL THE TIME BUT AS STATED BEFORE WE ONLY TAKE VERIFIED PAYMENTS SHIPPING TO A CONFIRMED ADDRESS AND WE DONT TAKE CREDIT CARDS , I have over 2000 eBay sales (with excellent feedback) and he gave me a negative feedback over a $9.99 item that I tried repeatedly to pay for. THE PRICE DOESNT MATTER WE LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR ALL NON PAYERS YOU WOULD HAVE SENT UNACCEPTABLE PAYMENT THAT WE COULD NOT TAKE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DENIED, IF YOU CONTINUED TO SEND UNACCEPTABLE PAYMENT IT STILL WOULD BE DENIED THATS WHY WE STATE "ACCEPTABLE PAYMENTS" YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN 3 DIFFERENT NOTICES ABOUT YOUR NON PAYER STATUS BEFORE GETTING A NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FAILURE TO PAY WOULD RESULT IN A NEGATIVE FEEDBACK REGUARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT AND REGUARDLESS OF EXCUSES SORRY FOR THE STRAIGHT FORWARD POLICY IF YOU HAD PAID YOU WOULD HAVE GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR AND THIS WOULD ALL BE A MUTE POINT I will NOT get into a pissing match with him on the internet BUT I can not ignore the MR. NICE Guy routine that he propagates on the Bomber Forum when in reality he is extremely difficult to deal with. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER MEET ME HOW DO YOU KNOW IM NOT A NICE GUY ? I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE EASY TO DEAL WITH AND WHILE THAT IS POSSIBLE IN MOST CASES I DO HAVE A TENDANCY TO STAND UP FOR PEOPLE AND THINGS. I AM FAIR BUT WHEN RULES AND POLICIES ARE NOT FALLOWED IT TRIGGERS ACTION UNFORTUNATLEY WE DONT HAVE ANY TOLERANCE FOR IRRISPONSIBILITY IN THE WAY OF NON PAYMENT OF A OBLIGATION WE DO HAVE OTHER PAYMENT OPTIONS AND IF THERE WAS DIFFICULTY WITH YOUR PAYMENT YOU WOULD HAVE RECEVIED A EMAIL STATING WHY Yes this is only my opinion BUT it is based on ACTUALLY dealing with him. Sure I am pissed as I write this and yes I will probably regret posting a reply at one in the morning, BUT enough is enough! Buyer BEWARE! Once you bid you will realize he has you by the short hairs with his unreasonable terms. ALL TERMS ARE CLEARLY LISTED IN ALL AUCTIONS PLEASE DONT IGNORE THE THOUSANDS OF POSITIVES FROM BIDDERS THAT DID PAY AND GOT THERE ITEMS I picked up a really nice 164 Ultra prime on the weekend for $52 so there really are other options then U12. Check around and you will find other sellers that dont piss you off and turn you into a "hater". SORRY ABOUT THAT I WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO MAKE IT UP TO YOU IT APPEARS YOU LEFT NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ALSO? WE GET PAYPAL PAYMENTS ALL THE TIME BUT IT HAS TO BE A VERIFIED PAYMENT , AND SHIPPING TO A CONFIRMED ADDRRESS AND WE DONT TAKE CREDIT CARDS ANY ONE OF THOSE WOULD HAVE MADE YOUR PAYMENT UNACCEPTABLE , YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT THE PROBLEM AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN OTHER PAYMENT OPTIONS . I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE PAID ! PLEASE drop the cool guy routine.... in reality U12 is as uptight as they come. Sure he is a nice guy on the Forum but just try buying something from him and you will meet the other side of U12. YOU OBVIOUSLY MISSED THE THOUSANDS OF POSITIVES FROM THOSE WHO READ THE AUCTION AND ACTUALLY PAID FOR THERE BID, IM WILLING TO GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY IF YOU ARE , IF YOU PAY YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU WON ITS THAT SIMPLE. I WISH I HAD MORE CONTROL OVER THE SITUATION BUT I DONT PLEASE REALIZE WE DIDNT MAKE YOU "NOT PAY " LET ME KNOW WHAT I CAN DO TO FIX THIS IN YOUR MIND IF YOU DO WANT TO FIX THIS LET ME KNOW I CAN TAKE YOU OFF THE BANNED BIDDER LIST THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW ABOUT THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis @ salty peaks Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 SEE RESPONSE BELOW IN CAPS I spoke to you on 4 different occasions. You posted negative feedback the very SAME day we spoke. Over a $9.99 item. Even after you said we were cool!You even expected me to pay AFTER you gave me negative feedback. AND IN THOSE 4 CONVERSTIONS YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR PAYMENT WAS NOT ACCEPTED? I DONT KNOW WHY WE WOULD HAVE LEFT NEGATIVE FEEDBACK AFTER TELLING YOU WE WHERE COOL , WAS THAT COOL AS IN YOU PAID OR WHAT? MAYBE YOU COULD CALL ME TO DISCUSS THIS AND NOT WASTE EVERYONES TIME IN THE FORUM You can posture as much as you want on the Bomber forum. BUT I believe the readers of this thread know whats going on, and can see through the Mr. Nice guy routine. WHAT POSTURE IM TRYING TO FIX THE PROBLEM , Heres a suggestion: Try keeping in touch with your auctions (like actually running them yourself). Be nice to your customers and they will reciprocate. Stop playing the entrapment game, and maybe your reputation will start improving. WE UNDERSTAND THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS IN THE PAST WITH SLOW COMMUNICATION BUT WE STILL COMMUNUCATE As I said in the original post I do NOT want to get into a pissing match with you on the forum (it is as stupid as pissing into the wind). OR COMPETING IN THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS! I stayed out of this thread as long as I could and enough is enough. It is very interesting that one on one I got the FU attitude from you but on the Bomber Forum you try to come across as Mr. Nice Guy. SORRY IF YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY BUT I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE COULD BE DONE TO GET YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE ACCEPTABLE PAYMENT OPTIONS Is it possible that you reap what you sow. That you dont crap where you sleep? The damage is already done stop trying to deflect it on me. How is that MILLIONS of other eBay sellers seem to make a go of it without pissing off their own customers. SO IM THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS EVER HAD A PROBLEM ON EBAY??I GUESS THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHY THEY ARE PISSED OFF IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT MOST OF THEM DONT HOLD NON PAYERS ACCOUNTABLE , ALOT OF THEM DONT LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK IN FEAR OF GETTING RIGHT BACK AT THEM , WHICH DEFEATS THE WHOLE REASON FOR HAVING A FEEDBACK FORUM IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO IF YOU WONT GIVE A CALL AT 801-273-8770 OR EMAIL ME AT DENNIS@SALTYPEAKS.COM I ASK AGAIN WHAT WILL FIX THIS IN YOUR MIND??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis @ salty peaks Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 SEE RESPONSE BELOW IN CAPS Please note: If you are going to "Quote" me STOP doctoring the content. IM NOT DOCTORING ANYTHING THE ORIGINAL POST IS SHOWN ABOVE , IM JUST TRYING TO MAKE THIS UNDERSTANDABLE Is Bomber Online the appropriate place to cultivate business? (for a full time dealer).NO THATS NOT WHAT IM DOING HERE ,WHILE IT'S TRUE I FAILED TO READ OR UNDERSTAND THE FORUM RULES, FIN WAS NICE ENOUGH TO GO OVER IT AGAIN FOR MY BENIFIT AND THE PREVIOUS POST WAS ADJUSTED TO "FOLLOW THE RULES" Please direct me to the "Salty Peaks Online" because I would really like to move this off of Bomber before this transcends good taste, common sense and the rules.AS STATED BEFORE MY PERSONAL NUMBER IS 801-273-8770 FOR FASTEST RESPONSE OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT DENNIS@SALTYPEAKS.COM You have pissed off more people then will post online. Please take a second before you respond to rethink your position. How about trying to get along rather then the abrasive confrontational style that seems to radiate from you, your eBay auctions, and your "persona". SORRY I COME OFF THAT WAY TO YOU THAT IS NOT MY INTENTION. I DONT WANT TO GET INTO POLITICS BUT IS THERE A CHANCE THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS? p.s. chances are good by the time most people see this post the offending comments by U12 will have already been edited out. OFFENDING COMMENTS? WHAT COMMENTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT IS SO OFFENDING TO YOU? IM JUST RESPONDING TO YOUR PROBLEM IN AN ATTEMPT TO RESOLVE IT SOME HOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 this is getting good...almost like watching the "Snakes on a Plane" trailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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