right u are brad! after i broke my last set of snowpros in the 90s all i was able to get for cheap were race plates, granted i was a little lighter then :(but i rode the crap out of em with raichle flexon comps and still have 2 pairs left w/ plenty of life in em! however when these break i will be investing in some bombers cuz im sure klug's gonna run out of binders eventually and the tds seem to be the most fat-guy friendly!