Jack M

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/11/21/jake-burton-carpenter-dies-65-founder-burton-snowboards/4258558002/ I will forever regret never meeting him.

I think 2006 or 7. These were great boards. Fair price IMO.

New carvers shopping for used gear need to know what they are looking at. There have been people here and on other social media channels selling very old gear for prices 3x or more than fair value. Or even gear that is beyond service life or dangerous. People who know are in no danger of falling for that, but people who don't know can at least be tipped off here that they are in the vintage for sale section. And on the bright side, a newbie on a budget who doesn't want to spend more than say $150 on a board now has a place where inexpensive gear will be concentrated and brought to the front. This thread has drifted massively. Nobody is trying to say that old gear is useless and cannot be enjoyed or even ripped, like you do. @trailertrash's point as I took it was that people who could easily justify buying new gear but won't are a drag on the progression of the sport. I haven't seen this point adequately refuted yet, IMO. If you can't justify new gear, then rock what you got and shop savvy, it's cool.

I agree with @nils and I have often wondered why alpine sells in skiing but not in snowboarding. I think part of it is because trying to go as fast as you can and relatively straight is a natural thing on skis, but on a snowboard for most people it is not natural, or even downright frightening - and not in a good way. Skis beg to go fast. Skis beg to be schussed. It feels good. Skiers inherently are more likely to want to see who can go faster. Try to bomb downhill on an average snowboard and soon the board gets squirrely and you get that puckering feeling of teetering on the brink of catching an edge. I also agree with the article that part of the raison d'etre of snowboarding is that it is not skiing. It is still marketed that way. Alpine does not conform to most snowboarder's standards of non-conformity.

I agree, I love the logo with the board shape, but it is simply too long for these applications. The embroidery looks just like the pictures. Zooming in on the picture is not very realistic, it would be like looking at the hat with a magnifying glass. I wear both the Flex Fit and Classic myself.

This deserves a title upgrade...

US$175. Good thing I didn't listen to the guy telling me to go with Arcteryx for US$275. Profits donated to USASA and USSRT.

How many do you have available?

Yes indeed, they call it brushed fleece. It's not removable if that's what you mean. Thanks for the reminder! I've added the 3 other available styles to the store.

https://www.canadasnowboard.ca/en/blog/?id=1332 Quick interview with "The Great One" of snowboard racing.

New swag! New and improved supplier! Check out our new gear in the Store (or click the Store tab at the top of the forum) All profits donated to USASA and USSRT. Softshells! Logo on right bicep. Comfy handwarmer pockets and the all-important vertical breast pocket for your celly. (Stock photo, logo not shown) New lids! Multiple flavors! Classic - new model with contrast stitching and softer, more comfy headband inside. New Flex Fit, black, traditional 6 panel, 100% cotton: My chest size is 42", sleeve length is 34", I am 5'11", and I am currently wearing the size Large softshell. It's fairly roomy and the sleeves are slightly long. If I pull them over my hands they will come to the base of my fingers. Good length for holding a steering wheel or handle bars. Body comes to my hips. Looks nice in the mirror. I might get a medium next time, but the large is ok and comfortable. Available in the Store (or click the Store tab at the top of the forum). Sourced and embroidered here in Portland Maine.

Parks are crowded... with skiers. Turning/carving is now counterculture and soulful... again.

Dibs for a friend! He will be getting in touch soon.

I'm confused, I can't tell if you're saying these people are riding modern equipment now or not. I'm just saying anyone who is somewhat serious about the sport but is refusing to buy something modern even though they could, is at the very least denying business to a current manufacturer. That's inarguable. They may also be influencing others, whether they mean to or not.

all set thanks.

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Too many variables to draw a conclusion about the board. Maybe it was the bindings. Maybe the old FP was really soft. Maybe he had a different attitude after the first experience. Who knows. I would say the original Madd 158 is an outlier, literally made from unobtanium. An "exception that proves the rule".

http://forums.alpinesnowboarder.com/topic/48802-ancient-equipment-in-alpine-snowboarding/?do=findComment&comment=495325

DONE

At best they are denying a sale to a current manufacturer. They may also be influencing others with the misconception that new boards are not significantly better than old boards, and other misinformation.

I think people who could justify buying a modern board that would improve their riding or be more enjoyable but choose not to for nostalgic or cheapskate* reasons are fooling themselves, and holding the sport back. If one truly cannot justify the expense, or if the old board is fully enjoyable, then that's fair. However when they do decide to get something new or to exit the sport, if they try to unload obviously worthless gear on an unsuspecting newbie, that is also holding the sport back. I think this is a compelling example of why beginners should not buy $100 Burton Alps or anything like that. *I would say if you are passionate about an activity and can afford and justify new gear that would be more enjoyable but choose not to, that's being a cheapskate. Like a lawyer I know who will shop for skis at the junkyard. I enjoy playing guitar, but I would stop short of calling it a passion, and I'm not in a band, so I have a Mexican-made Fender Stratocaster instead of an American-made one for 3x the price. I don't think that's being a cheapskate. I believe the first accessible/affordable production boards like that were the Prior WCRM in 2006. Kessler won the 2002 Olympics with the new tech.

Awesome!