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I've read other reviews where the riders could not carve the Furberg very well. The Furberg does have a fairly soft flex and a large 16m SCR. Possibly your student was too heavy to carve the board effectively or trying to force a smaller carve than what the board wanted to do. The time the video was taken, it was later in the day, so the snow was firm enough that it did not get all bumped up. I agree with you that I would not recommend the Furberg for someone who wants to get into carving. UNLESS they only planned on owning ONE board for everything.

As an update to my review, here's a short video of me carving on the Furberg 162 at Mammoth. I'm using the Dynafit TLT5 boots.

I'm at Mammoth now and scored my best powder day in years!! I rode the Furberg all day with my new Dynafit TLT5' and the board worked great. You should definitely get one, you just need to figure out what length you need. There is a long Furberg thread at Splitboarder.com with discussion on which length to get.

Today (4/2/14) was the best pow day of the season!! I'll be at Mammoth at least through Friday. I might stay for Sat.

I'm a definite maybe:p

Yeah, TLT5/6 are expensive. I saw some used TLT5's on EBAY that sold for $200 to $300, but I couldn't used, cheap ones in my size. I got new 2011/12 TLT5 for $380. I've used my TLT5 with F2 and Burton plate bindings. I've read about riders using them with the Bomber Splitboarder bindings.

I've recently switched from SB413 w/ BTS to Dynafit TLT5. The TLT5 rides just as well as the SB413 w/ BTS, but the TLT5 is about half the weight! For stiffness: Stiffer.............softer Stock SB413= stock TLT5 with tongue in ride mode > SB413 w/BTS > TLT5 in walk mode w/ optional tongue

Coyote, since you live in Mammoth, you should check out a pair of Dynafit TLT5's at Mammoth Mountaineering. The TLT5's are softer overall than Deeluxe (I don't know about UPZ). If you want the TLT5 to be softer than the stock setup, you can try this 5-minute, reversible mod http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?42170-Dynafit-TLT5-for-Carving-and-Powder.

I almost forgot to mention that Dynafit TLT5/6 boots are available for demo at various mountaineering shops if you want to try before buying. I know from experience that Mammoth Mountaineering has a wide range of sizes available for demo ($30/day).

I had been using Raichle SB413 w/ BTS for carving and softboots for powder/all mountain. The SB413 flex is on the softer end of the Raichle/Deeluxe spectrum. At Splitboard.com Dynafit TLT5 Mountain thread modified AT (alpine touring) boots have been getting popular for powder/all mountain. That thread on the Dynafit TLT5 Mountain got me interested in trying it out for both carving and powder. This thread on the newer TLT6 has got better pictures for pretty much the same mods. Reasons for trying out the Dynafit TLT5 Mountain (Performance version is stiffer and more expensive) • Weight, TLT5 = 2.55 LB/boot; Raichle w/ BTS = 4.46 LB/boot • TLT5 has nice buckles; buckles on my Raichles are about done • It’s time for some new boots The biggest drawback for the Dynfit TLT5/6 boots is the extremely high retail price. I found a new pair of 2011/12 model TLT5 boots for $389 and took the plunge. The TLT5 is a low volume boot. My Raichle boots are mondo 24, I had to go up to 25.5 on the TLT5. However, because of the BTS on the Raichle boots, I can use the same stance angles for the TLT5, even though the TLT5 sole is slightly longer. In “walk mode”, the TLT5 ankle has a 60deg range of motion (per the boot spec). The upper buckle tightens the boot cuff AND engages “ride mode/forward lean”. In stock “ride mode”, range of movement is reduced and the toeside flex felt too stiff for me, even with the removable tongue removed. The removable tongue that comes standard with the boot is very easy to take in or out. Since these are touring boots, Dynafit expects the skier to remove the tongue on the way up and put the tongues back in on the way down. The standard splitboarder modification is to enlarge the “forward lean slot” to allow greater range of motion and reduce toeside flex stiffness. Most splitboarders also seem to use the boot WITHOUT the removable tongue. Instead, I used a shoestring and some 3/8” OD tubing to block the forward lean tab. This allowed maximum toeside range of movement while keeping the top buckle tight. I used both the Dynafit optional tongue and the Eliminator tongue to give me the stiffness on the toeside flex that I wanted. The tight upper cuff and tongues acted as the stop for heelside flex. When I ride with steeper binding angles on my Coiler 171 (54 deg front/51deg back) and Furberg 162 (33 deg front / 30 deg back), I don’t like any forward lean, so loss of the forward lean in this mode didn’t’ bother me. With the above setup the TLT5 toeside flex felt almost identical to the Raichle SB413 with BTS (yellow springs). Lateral and medial flex on the TLT5 felt a hair softer than the Raichle’s. My first day on the TLT5 riding a Coiler 171 Stubby (54F/51B) with F2 Titanium Race bindings, I felt an immediate improvement. The Dynafit upper cuff fit my calves better than the Raichles (I even used Booster Straps with the Raichles). The improved fit of the Dynafit removed slop between my shin and tongue. This made my edge to edge transfers quicker than with my old hardboots. The range of motion on the ankle allowed me to really bend my knees low before initiating an EC style turn. At 5’7”, 135 lb, carving hardpack with the TLT5 in modified “walk mode” with the optional tongue installed felt great. I didn’t feel any loss of performance compared to the Raichles. The Dynafit has a higher spine and stiffer tongue than the Raichle. The Dynafit’s high spine looks to be the stop on forward movement while in “walk mode”. When I first bought my Raichle SB413, walk mode felt too loose. I immediately installed the BTS and never rode the Raichles in “walk mode”. After the early morning boilerplate groom got slushy, I switched to my all mountain board (Furberg 162/ F2 Proflex), using a similar boot setup but with shallower angles (33F/30B). This will be the setup I use for powder days; maybe remove the removable Dynafit tongue. When I rode shallower angles on the Raichle, I needed to keep the buckle loose to get the medial flex that I wanted. With shallower angles on the TLT5, I could keep the upper buckle tight and get correct medial flex that I wanted. I decided to also try the Dynafit boots on my Burton Custom 152 (with Burton plates) for the park/pipe. For this mode, I left the top buckle undone (for tweakability) and engaged the forward lean tab by using a Booster Strap. If the forward lean tab is NOT engaged while the top buckle is undone, you lose highback support for heelside turns. I like forward lean on shallow binding angles (18F / 9B) so having forward lean in this mode felt good. I also wore the Eliminator tongues, but moved those inward to prevent shin bang on the medial flex. I did NOT use the Dynafit removable tongue in this mode. This mode worked great. I was able to tweak my methods and tail grabs just as well as my soft setup. Even with only the bottom buckle engaged (plus Booster strap underneath the top buckle that was left open), the Dynafit gave me better heel hold down than my soft setup (T1 boots / Burton C60 bindings). With the TLT5 working so well, I’ll be able to retire the Raichle hardboots AND the K2 T1 softboots. The only problems I had with the TLT5 were due to the Eliminator tongues moving around. I’ll have to try the Intuition wrapstyle liners from the Raichles to see if I can eliminate the Eliminator tongues. I don’t want to cut the shells to eliminate shin bang except as a last resort.

I was at Mammoth Mtn for the first weekend of March when it dumped 41" in 2 days. I found the deep, tracked up powder conditions to be exhausting on SOFTBOOTS and a powder board (Furberg 162). The next day, I switched to hardboots and plate bindings (same powder board) and found the going much easier. My hardboots are on the flexy side (SB413 w/ BTS), but they're still quite a bit stiffer than my soft boots (K2 T1's). My hardboots were a lot more comfy for doing jump turns in the steep, soft moguls. The hardboots were feeling heavy when I did some hiking for some freshies. After the above experience, I'll be sticking to hardboots/plate bindings for all mountain riding. My SB413's are getting old, so I've got some Dynafit TLT5 AT boots on order. The Dynafits should be about half the weight of the SB413's w/ BTS.

I was looking to replace my 6 year old Dupraz 5’5” which is great in powder, decent for carving groomers and manageable in moguls. So I decided to give the Furberg a try. I received the board 5 days after placing an online order. I’m 5’7”, 135 lb so I figured the Furberg 162 would give me plenty of float for the powder days. The Furberg snowboard was modeled after the Spatula powder ski, All the reviews I read raved about the powder slaying abilities of the Furberg, but the opinions were split about whether it was good for carving groomers or not. Executive summary: best powder board I’ve ever ridden, good for EC turns and moguls and worked well with both hardboots and softboots. Buell did an excellent review on the rockered Tanker 172, so I’m going to follow his template, http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?28956-2010-rockered-Rad-Air-Tankers I almost bought a Tanker 162 because of his review, but there was very little info on the web about the Tanker 162. Furberg 162 specs: waist = 26.4 cm, scr = 16m Powder: I went to Mammoth when the storm of the season was hitting. My first day at Mammoth was greeted with 24” of fresh pow and a two day total of 41”! I rode the board with soft boots/bindings. As expected, the board absolutely excelled in the pow. I had the bindings centered on the inserts and never felt like I had to lean back to keep the nose from pearling. The Furberg was definitely the easiest, most user friendly powder board I’ve ever ridden. Chopped powder / Moguls: When I first bought my Dupraz, I thought it was great in bumps in comparison to my other all mountain boards at the time (Tanker 172, Donek Incline 160). Then when I rode the Dupraz back to back in soft moguls with a Burton Custom 152, I really preferred the shorter/lighter board for bumps. The Ferberg 162 felt much lighter than the Dupraz and the narrower nose/tail on the Ferberg made the jump turns easier. The Ferburg was almost as easy as the Custom 152 in the moguls. The Furberg powered through the chopped powder easily and made it fun but still tiring. The day after the big pow day, Mammoth got another 1” of new snow and wind blown pow to fill-in some of the tracks. I switched to hardboots (SB413 w/BTS) and F2 plate bindings. What a huge improvement!!! Jump turns in the double black diamond runs felt more solid and more comfy. I had not used hard boots for all mountain riding for several years; not since I had pair of ****ty Nordica SBH’s. The combo of the soft F2 Proflex plate bindings and the soft SB413/BTS worked great. I should have gone back to the hardboots for all mountain riding years ago when I first got the SB413/BTS! Powder day soft groom: Best board I have carved on super soft and choppy powder day groom! A couple times I felt the nose starting to dig when I carved too hard in the soft stuff, but the feedback from the board helped me recover. In that scenario with a stiffer carving board, I probably would’ve slammed. Actually, the Dupraz , Tanker 172 and Burton Custom are also really good in the soft groom. Hero Groom: The 3rd day at Mammoth started off with hero-groom and I went with the Furberg and hardboots. I had the boots set at 33F/30B for zero overhang. After a couple warm-up runs, I went to Cornice which is a single black diamond run and the steepest groomed run at the resort. I proceeded to lay down the best EC turns I’ve ever done on an “all mountain/powder” board. I was getting armpit dragging turns on both heelside and toeside. On all my other boards that were not “carve” specific, I could only do EC turns on blue runs; I couldn’t hold the edge properly on steeper black runs. For EC style turns, the 16m scr on the Furberg 162 felt like the 13m scr on my Coiler Stubby 171. After my great run on Cornice with the Furberg, I switched to the Coiler Stubby 171 and headed back to Cornice. Unfortunately, by the time I got back to Cornice, it was way too crowded and bumped up to try any laid-out carves. The hero groom was quickly getting bumped up and I switched back to the Furberg. Riding the Coiler and Furberg back to back really showed how much better the Coiler was for pure carving ability and wider variety of turn shapes. For the Furberg, I could do quick fall line S-turns and bigger laid-out EC turns, but not really get a carve size in between. If I tried to do a smaller/medium size carved turn, it became more of a slarve. Conclusion: The Furberg is the closest board I’ve seen to being an actual “quiver killer”. Excels in powder and other soft snow conditions, carves groomers, handles moguls and was still light enough and short enough to take to the halfpipe and park. The board has converted me back to riding hardboots for almost all conditions! I suppose if I going to stay all day in the terrain park, I'll switch to soft boots the Burton Custom 152. The past couple of “family” snowboard trips to CO, I brought the Dupraz for the pow and the Burton Custom for hanging in the terrain park with the nephews. The next CO trip, it’ll be the Coiler for the hero snow and the Furberg for everything else.

Going solo on Friday, Feb. 28th and riding on March 1st and 2nd. Anybody else chasing the storm for some pow? All the cheaper places in Mammoth are fully booked. Will probably end up staying at Convict Lake or Bishop.

Brad, I'm glad we met you today. I'll try to remember to email you the next time I snowboard locally. Once you get your carving gear, keep an eye on the ride board. However, a lot of the local carvers prefer Snow Summit, so you might have to switch mountains occasionally if you want some carving company. Personally, I prefer Bear:biggthump

Awesome! Also got your voicemail. I'll see ya at Bear. I'll give you a call when I get to the parking lot. I should be there before 8am.

George, how about Bear Mtn Instead on Sun? More steep runs are open at Bear Mtn. I emailed you my cell phone #.

Nekdut, glad to hear all your bones are intact.

Great story. Congrats to Vic Ivan Wild. If the cold war was still going on, the (smoking hot) Russian wife would have been a KGB agent whose mission was to turn an American snowboarder.

I carve with hardboots and ride powder with softboots. Now I've been reading that a lot of splitboarders/backcountry riders are switching from softboots to heavily modified Dynafit TLT5/6 alpine touring boots. However, the splitboarders have mostly been using the Dynafit boots with Burton bails because the TLT5/6 don't have the standard DIN toe/heel and they are worried that the thicker Bomber bails are more likely to cause a pre-mature release. Is there any truth to this? I'd like to use one set of hardboots for both my carving and freeride boards, so I'm really interested in trying out the Dynafit boots. However, I don't want to switch my carving board to Burton plate bindings. I currently use Raichle SB413 boots with BTS and soft springs, so I think a soft/modified Dynafit will work well for me.

Well, I was hoping to get some pow in Mammoth this weekend to try out my new incoming powder board, Furberg 162. Since the storm fizzled out, I'll be heading to Snow Summit instead on Sunday (2/23) for some morning ice carving on my Coiler, then try out the Furberg in the afternoon slush:p Anybody else?

Looks like the originally forecasted snowstorm fizzled out, so I will NOT be making the drive to Mammoth. Will probably hit Snow Summit instead.

About 4 days after I emailed "helpme@rad-air.com" I got a reply email which offered $699 for the new rockered Tanker 162, which included shipping to California. That's a better deal than what I saw on Blue-Tomato. But as I mentioned earlier, I already ordered the Furberg 162.

Yeah, but this is the first pow/carve thread for 2014:p I posted a similar thread back in 2008 before I bought my Dupraz. 6 years later, I still think the Dupraz is a great powder board, but was looking for something new/different/better. A couple of years ago, I bought a V-rocker Burton Custom 152. The Burton Custom carves better than the Dupraz and the Burton is also the best mogul board I've tried. However, the short Custom 152 was too much work in powder. The V-rocker made me a believer in the rockered shapes. I use to own a Tanker 172, but I sold that in favor of the Dupraz. If the Furberger works out, it might be another 6 years before I shop for another powder board.

If the snowstorm arrives as expected, I'll be there for some pow, then some carving.

I found the new Tanker 162 available on Blue-Tomato, but nowhere else. Impulse buying helped make my decision. The Furberg 162 was the only one of my options that was available for immediate shipment AND early enough delivery to arrive before the forecasted snowstorm next week at Mammoth. So I ordered the Furberg and it should arrive on Tuesday, 2/18/14 and hopefully testing it in some powder on Thursday or Friday. I'll also bring the Dupraz 5'5", just in case I hate the Furberg. My Coiler 171 will also be on the trip for when the powder is all gone.