SteveInOregon

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: OK, You and the other guys have got me convinced ( the dying bone thing got me > . I'm gonna go see Dr Talus 2morrow, Than:)ks

I remember years ago some resorts wanted to have ski only trails and board only trails , and some were pondering ski only resorts and vs versa to avoid a bad mix, I don't know what ever came of it. I just moved from a so Cal high mountain town ( 7,500ft ) that had a snowboard only lift. Two Questions: 1) Is there any ski or board only mountains or trails besides the tiny one I mentioned. 2) Does is seam feasible to have board only trails, or mountains ? I would think both single & double planker's would like to have thier own trails ? What Say You ? PS I did a search for a thread / post like this and could not find one ( don't mean it doesn't exist ) so don't > me for repeating this kind of thread.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: YES, hell yes I watch Shaun get monster air, The SBX, Lindsey & Bodie, the Hockey team and PGS when it comes up etc... I filter through the junk like the Vics vapo rub comercials on NBC OnLY.com-ercial. The athletes don't give a crap about McDonalds & NBC, they grew up watching their sports idols as children up on the podium getting a gold medal , most of them toil in obscurity and now want to live the Olympic dream and win their own medals. Hooray for them all. As for super G on alpine-SB, ohhhh yaaaaaa

Ride hard 3 hours then sit around with beer & pizza, then ride 3 more hours then more beer & pizza, repeat next day until broke wallet or ankle , lol. It all balances out, l no weight loss, or gain

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: Perfect answer > Don;t do that again, lol, Your dam right I'm not getting sloppy and lazy ridding that way again.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: I agree "that's life". I'm trying to strike a balance for my age and injury bracket so to speak. I balance it out, I charge hard and "takes my chances", and on the other hand I wear a helmet and padded gear so I "can" charge hard and go to work the next day, lol. Otherwise I would say F the helmet, and screw the jacket it's too hot on a blue bird run and just wear 3 things > surf trunks, sun glasses and a left hand glove to surf the snow and I use to do just that "until" I found out the packed groom is vicious on the skin at over 30+ mph , 2nd only to asphalt pavement and concrete, :flamethrolol.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: Yes, that was made clear to me too in 1987 when I tore my left ACL on ski's at Mammoth CA, that is the primary reason I switch to S-board and never looked back. It's weird because since 88 I have fallen all sorts of ways and all manner of mishaps with no injuries on a typical all mountain board and now that I switched to hard alpine I break my freaking ankle in the 2nd month / 18th session, :o oh well, lol.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: No not at all, it was "my bad", I blew it on many levels that day. I take on & accept the risk when I ride motorcycle, road bike, mnt bike and alpine board. I am just pondering the mechanics of simply lessening the risk on less than optimum pack with a more comprehensive shock absorbing system

"NICE" Are you in this video ?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: ( looking sheepish, avoiding eye contact ) :o No-ooo not yet

------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY : > Thanks for the island cheers. Ya my amp is the same as yours, I set out everything the night before, I wax and stone at night while listening to the radio, check boot to bindings bla bla bla. I make sure everything is as good as possible ( very necessary with old used equip ) everything has to be perfect as can be so I can just park, stretch & suit up and hit the lift 1st thing. Since Your an island guy you must surf >( I didn't look at your profile yet) you know what its like to scrape sand wax off then re-wax up, make sure your suit (Cali cold water ) substitute fav trunks / suit isn't all stank from the day before , make sure you have fresh rinse water bla bla bla so when I get to the cliff's I can drink coffee and check the set, no time waisted. Howlie "out", lol.:)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for asking. 1) I would have not gone at all, no seriously, I was super sore and tired from riding 5 hours strait , plus running up steep slope to chase after a school bus on last Thurs. ( read "blinded by laser" ) , so I was "weak in the legs right off the bat. 2) I should have stopped for lunch, but I left my wallet under the seat of my SUV and my lady friend took it down the to Shasta Xcountry ski area to do her thing , she was gone all day with my cash so I was not only , sore & tired I was hungry and thirsty, I couldn't even find a plastic chair to sit on outside to relax because there was a capacity crowd watching a hill jump big air contest and I was left standing * sigh so I thought the lift was the only good seat in the house relax on and so started riding again with no rest. 3) I should have spent the cash on Intuition or other mold-able liners and custom foot beds, "but" being a NuB I didn't have any baseline to evaluate how well my boots fit other than they didn't cut off any circulation so I was positive on my boots, they seamed ok, but I really knew I was going to get better liners, soon but no soon enough. 4) I should really be a "snow snob" and should have gone Xcountry when the conditions are not good, I had ice followed by sunny slush and a thousand weekend skiiers ruts to negotiate. The moral of the story is, I lead myself down my own path of stupidity aqnd now I am paying for it, the only good thing is I was looking out for "the other guy" , rather than gaining speed and splitting hairs I chose to slow down and drift sideways , oh well live and learn. PS I will take a few shots and post them of my equip :o

Obviously down hill skiis are release types. That begs the question, are there practical reasons & situations to want a break away / releasable alpine board binding ? Lets leave the material , mechanical, and market demand issues out for now of and concentrate on a set of positive uses and a basic conceptual need for this new type of binding. Indulge me if you will , just "imagine" that you already have a prototype of a refined light small footprint release binding that can be calibrated for particular person and dynamic demand. Regardless of market demand, do you think it would be usable and ad safety or just ad another set of un-tested variables that need extensive testing. I can only imagine the 1st break away ski bindings had to be worked out and extensively tested along with an evolutionary process over the years that arrived were they are today. Using the borrowed parameters of a single ski binding for a base line person of such and such a weight as a start. I can imagine an odd yet what looks to be a high probability scenario were one binding breaks away and the other is still holding the boot so the rider is now falling with one off ( front boot free ) and one on ( back boot held) which very well "may" complicate the injury factor, I don't know this is all hypothetical. Do GS~skiier's think one break away is good ? take Lindsey Vonn when she lost one ski this week while jamming at top speed and it look like a perfect need, so is there a correlation to having one boot stay and one release on an alpine board, I don't know. Sounds like this would have to be worked out in the field over and over again in all kinds of situations until some "test pilot's" come back praising the device or damning it. and one outweights the other by a large margin. Ohhhh and then there is the lawyers, I can see it now " My clients binding released when he admittedly nose dived into a rut and the front boot broke away as advertised "but" he did the high speed splits, and now has torn ligaments in all his hip joints & back boot knee ( or something like that ) Its cool to ponder the mechanical and practical possibilities. (( I'm not an engineer, but I dated one, & we did sleep in a Holiday Inn once ))

----------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: Ohhhhh ok, understood ;)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: What would be the down side to a break away / releasable alpine board binding ???

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: You may be speaking about something I am not familiar with . I am referencing the poly urethane base gasket like rubbers that come with Bomber bindings when you buy the upgraded sort of deluxe kit, they look to only weigh a few ounces each, is that making any sense. ?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: I think your really onto something here. I went over to my local ski shop to ask about Intuition liners for my snowboard hard boots ( they looked at me like I was a space alien ) after I explained what an alpine snowboard was they said "OHHhhh sure no problem". Ya, I felt my boots fitted good, but not as good as the way you guys speak when you have a high end liner and foot bed. I would crank my boot binders down to a death choke just before take off but that only helped with my shins, but my ankle & foot pad area was not wrapped and hugged so out of ignorance and inpatients I may have participated in my own demise:o

I say this because I just read here about someone who was test riding the TD3 with the softest base. I guess they come with different color urethane type base gaskets ( I cant remember the term for these ) but one is stiff and the other is soft and the tester did not like the "give" and lack of instant turning input with the soft flexable base, but this looks like a good interface for a recreational rider to help take away the jarring and sudden stop-snap if I hook the nose again, kind of a "progressive" base attachment. It may seam anti precision / anti hard boot to purposely build in flex & give in the binding & base system but I am relegated to many realites, 1) I am too old to be breaking more parts, lol, 2) my 2 local mountains are not optimal the grooming is poor and not really sutable for long & low / long & wide. I seams the very thing this tester was not liking may be the answer for limping gimps who want a little extra insurance, I dont now I am just pondering.

This is a new thread that rose out from my messed up ankle thread: QUESTION> It looks like hard boots & hard binding are transmitting all the shock & energy to the 1st member in line ( the ankle ) a relatively delicate member which seams to be for all intense purpose an encapsulated prisoner to both body weight & down force from above and board-ride-terrain shock from below, that being the case, there looks to be no room for error. "POSSIBLE FUTURE REMEDY" ??? > You guys talk about the TD3 with one of the poly urethane type bases being a soft and flexible base cushion. It seams to me in my limited experience ( just intuitively ) that if I were on one of those more lateral forgiving & shock absorbing binding set ups I mite have escaped my ankle injury, "or" could it be made worse ??? >>>> what do You think. ?????????

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: So it looks like hard boots & hard binding are transmitting all the shock & energy to the 1st member in line ( the ankle ) which seams to be an encapsulated prisoner to both weight from above and shock from below. "POSSIBLE FUTURE REMEDY" ??? > You guys talk about the TD3 with one of the poly urethane type bases being a soft and flexible base cushion , it seams to me in my limited experience , just intuitively that if I were on one of those more lateral forgiving & shock absorbing binding set ups I mite have escaped , what do You think. Thanks :)

add--------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: That's a nice family You got there, Momma board, Daddy board, baby board and uncle crutches.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will be sure to ask you about PT when I can gimp around, thank You for the reply to my questions.;)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: "Flexon Comp" what is that, if that ain't a binding then its a torture technique or an Olympic ski jump trick . lol . I'm good at not puking "unless" I am on a diesel fishing boat , what with exhaust fumes , the constant engine vibration, the rolling swell, the smell of bacon from the galley, cheep cigars, & rotting fish>>> .>>>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: Thank You too for the real life advice, so You and I are now left to only riding the "message" boards too , lol ;). I don't smoke and I'm not much for coffee ( unless it's Kona or Kauai pea berry, ground 1 cup @ a time ) and I cant afford that very often. See StarBucks reaction > No can do on the Ibuprofen because I literally eat a hole in my stomach last year from dealing with my "lady friends" female illogical retorts and mood based mind games ( See pissed off un-happy face > = Steve> lol. ( no dis on the ladies here ) this was "my" problem by not dealing with her with patients and firm understanding, so I gave myself an ulcer ( way to go Steve , thank me thank me very much , lol ) I feel fine so long as I don't move, lol, I know that doesn't say much but there was zero swelling, I mean none at all, so I hope I am just a sissy with a sprain , I will take that over a tuff guy with a fracture any day , lol.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: Ok, I will ice it for 72hrs, I have had it almost frozen since 2pm. I am going to Bach regardless, I will be a camera man for anyone who wants to be on Youtube if nothing else.;) I will take Your advice and stop the beer, well how about a 1 week hiatus because my Douoble IPA home brew will be ready to de-cap and taste by then