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brice540iit has decide these bindings are not quite what he is after, so both sets are avalible. I have edited the original post with a price drop to include both sets of bindings. I am hoping that someone with kids might be able to put these bindings to good use. Cheers Rob

Hi Shawn Nothing came with the bindings and I have never actually seen these bindings anywhere else, so if you wanted to do this you would have to be handy in the shop. If you are handy, you would have to mill the cant/lift you wanted out of plastic, wood, metal, etc. Next you would simply need to get longer screws as the shims you make in the shop would mount the same way F2 shims mount on their bindings. Very do-able at first glance Hope this helps Rob

Thanks Brice540iit - So one pair is sold, sale pending ... I sent you a PM. Rob

2 pairs of Drake Junior Plate Bindings: -Fits 4 hole insert pattern, includes mounting hardware and stomp pad -These bindings have the same screw type adjustment 'system' as F2 bindings and are all metal -When using the largest possible boot setting I was able to get my Northwave Mondo Point 28.5 boots to fit (as a carpet test), so anything smaller than this should work no problem -Mint condition and seem very beefy/strong (my kids didn't ever use them as they went into other sports) SOLD Thanks Rob

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Hello Well last weekend I was able to Demo the K2 Kwicker splitboard system, I was on a trip and and just lucked out. I am a split board back country novice. I was on the 161 K2 board, it was too small for me as I am over 200 pounds and 6 feet tall, it was the only board they had. I was inbounds at a resort, the conditions were very hard with a few cms of nice fluffy dry pow on top. I rode in the trees a bit and on perfect grooming. I also hiked up the run to try all aspect of the system. Please take my comments with a grain of salt as I am far from a hard core backcountry guy. Riding down the pow is all I care about and if I could I would rather have my sledneck buddies give me a ride vs splitting the board and walking up. I do have a Voile Split board and will hike for my turns if the pow is great! BOOTS I found the K2 Kwicker boots to be very comfortable and fit my foot well. I also liked the Boa System, not really being a soft boot guy all that often maded me wonder why the kids like laces? The boots are pretty heavy and have a thick feeling sole. I think that the combined boot binding weight felt about the same as a traditional set up. I can't see using these Kwicker boots in a standard binding, however. Walking in them, with the build in highback and a shape at the bottom that is kind of rounded at the toe felt a bit weird. Nothing bad here, just different feeling. The boots were very comfortable and supportive. RIDE I also wondered if I would get a too high off of the board feeling with the thick sole and binding, I personally didn't feel this at all. The boots are very supportive, I'd guess that they are like a softer hard boot. The boots felt pretty good laterally, when carpet testing, but it was hard to tell when actually riding in the trees as I did not like the board size and shape; I think this affected my opinions of the boot-binding-interface feeling I got while riding ... in a negative way. I'd like to try these boots, with the resort Kwicker bindings, on a board that I know well to eliminate this variable. The young kids that were riding with us use soft boots that are more for a park set up, their boots were like soft noodles compared to the K2 Kwickers. My guess is the young guys may find these boots too stiff, again this is very subjective. I did rail, or try to, rail a few turns on the groom with the 161. The boots felt very supportive. That said, I think I folded the front boot material on the inside of the boot; the material seemed to bend-bulge out (and stay that way) a bit on the front foot while the back boot did not. The boots did feel very supportive on a hard turn, but it made me question really hard use/turns on groom and durability. CHANGE OVER The change over was quick. But, most of the change over, skins off/on, clips at the tip/tail, etc is exactly the same. The bindings change over was very smooth, quick and slick ... just like the videos. Stepping in and out was both quick easy and sometimes a bit of a pain. Lining up the pins, snow at times was really easy and other times a bit of a pain. I guess you would get used to it and get quicker over time. I like the new Voile Pucks and the sliders for setting up the stance angles, but I don't think you can get much more than 30 degrees on the front foot as you run out of the channel to get this angle. This is only an issue for the guys who perhaps like higher stance angles. BOTTOM LINE There are things I liked and did not like about the K2 Kwicker system, bottom line I would not buy the system ... yet. I think it will be better to wait to see where K2 takes this product line. All in all a cool system that I hope continues to improve. Because it is all about the ride down for me, I think I would choose a traditional strap binding and perhaps a boot that is just a bit softer for mobility in the pow. As with all things this is super subjective from a B.C. novice. I will seriously consider a pair of K2 standard boots, perhaps some Flow bindings and a nice Pow board. Next I will look for a ride up the hill from my sledneck friends:) Cheers Rob

Corey - No panic at all and for thank you in advance for taking the time to respond, it is really appreciated; glad the PM is working. Pat - I have been doing the exact thing you have recommended Corey try on my 171 Nirvana Balance ... too much fun ... 11 SCR! Cheers Guys Rob

Hi Corey That board looks like a lot of fun, it is really helpful to see how it turns in your last video! I would like to ask a few questions about it if possible. I did send a PM earlier today, but I am pretty sure that this feature is not working properly on the forum. Is it possible to get an e-mail address from you? I would like to send you the message I tried to PM you earlier. Thanks Rob

Hello I am a bit surprise that more guys aren't recommending the All Mountain Coiler. Can anyone comment on the rider difference between the Nirvana and the All Mountain? It is my understanding that the Nirvana Balance and the All Mountain have a similar feel/flex/ride. I am most curious about the edge hold of the two in harder snow conditions. Variable Sidecut Radius What makes a guy decide to select a VSCR with two (ie 11/13 scr) versus three (ie 10.5/12.7/12m scr) radii when buying a Coiler? The 10.5/12.7/12m scr averages out to 11.7m and the 11/13 averages out to 12m ..... so do they turn similar or very different; assuming most other variables, length, width, flex, etc. are the same? It seems that 3 sidecuts gives you more variety in the turn size you can make; has anyone been to the demo tent enough to comment? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Rob

I had a similar bail opening issue, but with different boots and the TD's. As best I can tell, after watching your video, you have the same problem that I did. To me it looks like the actual bail is too narrow for the boot. Where the bail bends, it looks like you boot is hitting the bail, causing the bail to move, which causes the toe lever to move and eventually pop open. I solved this issue, with the help of Fin. At the time Fin explained to me that the 'shoulder bolts' on the step ins were longer than the toe lever TD's. By bending the toe bail wider, with the extra room provided by the longer shoulder bolts, the boot was no longer too wide for the bail. The rubber sole of the boots, squishing down, started all the movement. Even with the boot movement, the boot didn't hit the bail that was pulled wider .... and the toe lever stayed closed. Hope this helps Rob

Because of this thread I decided to set up a board with the PB settings. What I realized is that my All Mountain boards were already set up very close to what the PB guys suggest. For me by back foot was already at the recommended PB angle, but I was riding flat and with less front foot angle. I am using F2 bindings, so I added two of the thin wedges (8 degress cant, no lift) to the back foot. To get a comfortable and relaxed stance, when doing carpet test, I needed to widen my stance a little bit and add more front foot angle; before doing this I was getting a bit of front quad burn when just standing. These changes have turned out to make for one of the most comfortable set ups I have ridden in a long time, for all mountain riding. I am a bit blown away at how much I like these two small changes! For me personally this set up feels like riding my Carveboard in the summer time, a real surf/skate stance feel. Perhaps more cant and experimenting with your stance width may help to take some pressure off of your rear knee as this is what helped with my front quad? Cheers Rob

Hello When working with Bruce I had a hard time picking a SCR as I didn't have a good feel for how a metal board or a board with a Variable SCR would turn. Bruce had already explained to me that metal boards turn WAY tighter than Glass boards and that I should forget about my past experiences with SCR numbers and Glass Boards. What helped me was to do a YouTube search of guys riding Coilers. When I found a guy making turns about the size and rhythm I was looking for, on YouTube, I sent the video link to Bruce. Bruce knew the rider, the board and the SCR. I too was looking for a turny board. Bruce nailed the SCR right on, what worked for me was a 10/12/11. For me this proved to be a fun turny SCR for busy or tighter areas but also pretty good at bigger turns when letting the board run. Cheers Rob

Started skating the summer of 1976; buy a pair of Bata runners and you got a free skateboard, my first deck! About 1978 I saw a Winterstick add in a magazine, it was as if I had just seen God! In the summer of 1984 I ordered a Burton Performer directly from Burton in Vermont, I remember that it took weeks for it to clear Canadian Customs. Tried a friends Hardboot set up the winter of 1988, an instant carving revalation! Started Hardbooting full time in 1989. About 2002 I was luckey enough to discover the Bomber and EC sites, both of which have helped to keep the Stoke going via posts like these! I still have my 1984 Burton Performer, hard for me to believe that this all happened 30 plus years ago! Cheers from one old guy to another! Rob

Hi I poached this comment from another thread and a post by dingbat, but it directly related to this extensive thread on the Pureboarding topic. Dingbat has essentially answered the question, regardless, I was hoping to get a bit of feed back from guys using the PB set up to see if the use of cants comes down to personal preference or if there is a trend with most of the riders using this style of set up. The trend as I read into it now, for Pureboarding set ups, is iBex/Burton bindings, front foot flat, rear foot 7 degree cant/heel lift (old style Burton Wedge); if you use iBex there probably isn't a lot of choice for cants/lifts, etc. It seems to me that using a really flat back foot angle, with a large degree of splay, with hardboots, would make a good amount of cant necessary on the rear boot; but I don't see why heel lift would be needed? I am looking for highly biased cant/lift opinions from guys using bindings set up for Pureboarding. Thanks Rob

Hello Thanks for the response lafcadio, your comments about the front foot angle, splay and hip rotation make a lot of sense. I guess binding flexibility, like everything, is personal preference combined with a person's body type, individual flexibility, and the actual boot-binding combo being used, etc. Mr Buggs started the thread, tried the set up and indicated that the set up change test went well. That said, I still find Joerg's boot set up very interesting and telling with regards to binding flexibility. He has his rear ibex set up as loose as possible and wears two different boots with the rear being a laterally very flexible boot. I guess the next question is: If the rear iBex binding was/is flexible enough, why would Joerg wear two different boots with the rear boot being more flexible? I have also read that Jacques Rilliet used his bindings with the rear toe lever so loose it was a bit scary! Two great riders, two masters of their preferred styles, both liking so much movement in the rear boot! Maybe the Special Edition Joerg PB Sidewinder is in the works?:) Cheers Rob

Here is a picture and video just for fun! The picture show the new Kwicker boots with the old clicker bindings on what I 'think' is a tow in surfboard. Surfboard/Snowboard Hydrid Video http://surf.transworld.net/1000142442/photos/rob-machado-shreds-a-surfboardsnowboard-hybrid/ Thanks for the feedback Cheers Rob

Hello I have a question about bindings and how it relates to the PB stance set up and hip movement. With a very low rear binding angle and a pretty big degree of splay between the front and back binding stance angles, it would be very difficult to turn your hips on a backside/heelside turn if the rear binding was stiff and tight. I am guessing that this huge amount of free play, in the REAR binding is needed to make the rotational technique possible when the ultimate goal is all mountain versatility. The binding question: Have the PB guys experimented with different binding designs? (I think I read the PB guys use Burton/Ibex plates) Maybe a super modified TD Sidewinder? Something that would allow the movement when done up tightly for safety. Thanks Rob

Well said Softbootsailer! I can't help but smile when I look at pictures or watch videos of Joerg and the PB guys, looks like they would be a LOT of fun to ride and have a drink with!

Hello I agree with the statement above, but would like to 'split hairs' or be a bit picky with the wording; the words style vs technique in particular. The rotational technique is IMHO a very versatile one that is good for riding everything from groomers, powder, or moguls. EC and PB 'techniques' have the same Swiss Rotational roots; the techniques are the same at it's foundation. The equipment set up of ECing and PBing have been designed to meet different goals, as stated above. The equipment and set up for PB better meets an all mountain ride, the equipment and set up for EC better meets fully laid out turns best; even though they are both using the same technique and are both capable of laid out turns and all mountain riding. As the same technique is pushed in different directions, with different equipment set ups and design goals, with different riders, different styles emerge. Both styles, under the basic foundation of a single technique, are both really cool IMHO. Cheers Rob

Hi Hans Surfing, skateboarding, ECing and Pureboarding have the same rotational foundation/roots (hips included). The board, boot, binding set up for EC and PB have different goals and way of attacking the mountain, but the foundation of the technique is the same. Cheers Rob

Everything is a Compromise Hi BOardski You make a lot of good points that I completely agree with. But ... I have found that softer hard boots like the Raichle 123's or 224's are great for freeriding, but I personally find them too soft for hard carving. So I am back to square one in that I still need to drag a couple pairs of boots to the hill. Basically in 90% of the snow conditions, except great powder days, I use one set of hard boots. By mixing in flexy and stiffer bindings on different boards I have found a personal compromise that is good enough for me. In good powder the mobility of soft boots, while sacrificing some hardboot power, is a lot of fun and my personal preference in the deep stuff. I guess the question becomes is a modern soft boot set up like the K2 Stark and Kwickers better than a set of Raichle 123's and plates in powder? I would think the new soft boots are better, if they were not you would see pros riding plates. As there are so many personal preferences, this is a question that obvoiusly has no single answer! Throw in the split board variable and this question probably gets even harder to answer.... arrrggg! Sure wish it was possible to demo more gear, rather then spending a $1000, to find the answers to these questions! I guess this is why we ask the questions we do on this forum. Cheers Rob

Hi HHH Thank you again for your feedback, sounds like the new Stark boots work great; I am going to try find a pair to try on. There is something cool about seeing just a boot on a board, the simplicity is elegant. At the same time I can see why most need to hear and see more before committing to a system. Tonight a search revealed a recall notice for the bindings, this seems real? Here it is: http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/Recall-Alerts/2014/Snowboard-Bindings-Recalled-by-K2-Sports/ http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall-alert-rappel-avis/hc-sc/2014/37953r-eng.php http://www.levybaldante.com/snowboard-bindings-recalled-k2-sports-due-fall-hazard-recall-alert/ http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/morning_call/2014/04/k2-sports-snowboard-bindings-recalled.html Any further comments would be appreciated. Cheers Rob

Thanks OhD, some interesting insights for sure! Yes, packing a bunch of boards for a trip would be much nicer with these low profile Kwickers. The Kwicker resort binding, on the right, looks like it has a bigger base plate when compared to the original from years ago; maybe the force is distributed over a larger area in the new set up?

Interesting that most guys seem to like the clicker system, but also seem to have a lack of trust in the company for letting them down years ago. Tonight I spoke to our local K2 guy, he is afraid to bring in a binding that only 2 pair of boots can be used with. He also felt that the hard core backcountry guys want a product that has standard parts in case of a break down when out in the middle of no where! At first glance it doesn't seem like there are many parts to break on the bindings, were the old bindings reliable? Cold feet is an issue for me, so hearing that the K2 boots are very dry and warm is a big plus for me. Can anyone comment on K2's over all fit? I've heard that K2 boots fit on the wider side, which I am hoping for; our local shop has nothing in my size at the moment! My frame of reference is the Malamute, I like them but find the toe box to be too tight for my wide feet causing them to freeze easily. I will use Hotronics with the next soft boot, so not too tight is the toe box is very important. Thanks again for your thoughts. Rob

I've edited my original post a bit. Hi Lonbordin: Yes, I have already watched all the videos in the link you provided ... but thank you for your reply. Hi HHH: Thanks for the Stark boot information, can you explain what failed in the new Stark boot? A little more information. I have a split board and was interested in the idea of using the same BOOT for both split and standard boards in both backcounrty and resort powder. I have never used a step in soft boot, old or new, and was curious as to whether the original issues have truely been addressed. Thanks in advance for any thoughts. Rob