John E Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 I bought some Head Stratos Pros and a BTS kit (yellow springs) and did the modification to allow me to use them. I've ridden them all season and most of last. I never rode the Heads without the BTS. Has anyone done a without/with comparison to see what the effect is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Quebec Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 For me, the head boots are too stiff to use with the bts. I've cutted the boots to have more flex and to allow the BTS to do its job. You'll find a lot of info about that subject on the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Posted April 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 My only other point of reference was some older Raichles (324s I think) without BTS. My Heads are bone stock (except for the yellow BTS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 In my opinion, you'll do a lot better modifying the boot to flex freely, and then relying on the BTS to control the flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think it works wicked. Cut the wings in the back a bit and blue springs on the BTS, magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbat Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I noticed a huge difference by just installing BTS on my stock HSPs. It got even better after cutting the wings in the back of the boot. Take into account I weigh 200+lbs. and ride on East Coast hardpack most of the time. If you're 165lbs. and ride in CO, you might have to do work to the boot before feeling the effects of the BTS like the other fellas have commented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 My opinion, There simply is NO comparison! I rode my Head Stratos (stock out of the box) for 2 years and really liked them. Then I did the 'full tilt mods' with BTS, now absolutely love them! Just had Dalbello Golds molded in them last weekend (I hope they are 1/2 as good as people say) Really Looking Forward to next season !! JMO: Do yourself a favor and DO the boot Mods ! There's a ton of information here on how to do them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Quebec Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 JP1, you finally got your Dalbello Gold liner !!! John E, I did more mods to my boots after seeing JP1 boots flexing at ECES, at 160 pounds the stocked HSP were too stiffed for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 In my opinion, you'll do a lot better modifying the boot to flex freely, and then relying on the BTS to control the flex. I agree. Head stratos, to work fine with a spring system, needs to be softened (tongue+cuff) In my opinion BTS doesn't work well (I've had also on my DeeLuxe), it's too bulky and also the yellow springs are too stiff. Other spring systems are much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 I really have a hard time believing the yellow springs are too stiff for fully softened Head boots. I'm a slight guy, and I even moved up to blue springs after finishing the mods. If you think the yellow are too soft, then there might be further modifications you still need to make to the boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 I tried the yellow springs too stiff, also on DeeLuxe LeMans. I've made the modifications (adding also ACSS spring system) as here http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 and http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2234 As you can see, the ACSS is fully integrated in the boot while the BTS remains too bulky, especially in backside turns, and during forward flex don't work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Even with those modifications the forward flex of the boot is restricted. To allow my boot to flex freely, I had to do this: http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33770 Before I made that modification, yet, the yellow springs still felt stiff, but it was the shell causing the issues, and not the springs. Once I fixed it, the yellow spring then felt too soft. The small amount the BTS sticks out the back of the boot isn't much issue for those of us who don't EC, and I appreciate how bomber of a product the BTS is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Also I've done as here http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 and here http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 pag. 1 and 2 and here http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 pag. 3 and http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45 pag.4 The system works very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 It's been 3 years on BTS... After a bit of testing this spring, for the next season I might revert back to unmodified version of the boot for carving days. I'm still going to use the cut up shells with blue BTS for freeriding, teaching and very cold days. Disclaimer: I'm talking here about Dalbello CRX ski boots, which are HSP shaped, but supposedly stiffer plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Posted May 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 So - I assume that if I do a search, I'll find threads on how people suggest that one can carve away material from Head boots to make them more suitable for BTS. Is this because the consensus is that Head boots are too stiff to use unmodified with BTS. I've ridden most of the last 2 seasons with unmodified Head boots with yellow spring BTS. I don't know if this is good or bad. I don't have any other points of reference. If I want to try something different, I can either revert to the stock Head flex mechanism or cut away the boots and use the BTS. However, the second approach is irreversible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoos Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Then try a RAB system from DeeLuxe(for me the best). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 How does RAB work on Head boots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoos Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 It is possible. I've seen this year as well a man with a mounted StratosPro RAB. This requires interference in the upper shell structure like in the case of mounting the BTS-link below: http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=6008 Skipping aspect of their work-effort effect for the intended purpose!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoos Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 I found one more thread for HeadStratos Pro and unfortunately, requires a modification of the translation, but enjoy reading!! http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 29 pages!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbat Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 So - I assume that if I do a search, I'll find threads on how people suggest that one can carve away material from Head boots to make them more suitable for BTS. Is this because the consensus is that Head boots are too stiff to use unmodified with BTS. I've ridden most of the last 2 seasons with unmodified Head boots with yellow spring BTS. I don't know if this is good or bad. I don't have any other points of reference. If I want to try something different, I can either revert to the stock Head flex mechanism or cut away the boots and use the BTS. However, the second approach is irreversible. I wouldn't say the BTS is ineffective on HSPs without cutting the boot. I rode my HSPs in stock configuration for a while, then added BTS, then cut the boots. In my experience, just adding the BTS to the stock HSPs made a profound difference. Cutting the boot didn't seem to soften the boot flex by a huge amount over just adding BTS. It mostly extended the range of movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoos Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 So better to buy more softer boots ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 Ideal boots should be very stiff and have great range of motion, controlled by flex device. Anything else, you depend on deformation of plastic and temperature of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Ideal boots should be very stiff and have great range of motion, controlled by flex device. Anything else, you depend on deformation of plastic and temperature of the day. I agree, and which is for you the ideal boot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoos Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Along with your style and level of carving.Where your in the needs and requirements. You decide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 I agree, and which is for you the ideal boot? Havn't found one yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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