Molding liners without insoles?

[heroshmero]

What are your thoughts on using heat moldable liners without insoles? Does the liner provide enough arch support without an insole? Is there a problem with too much volume inside the liner without an insole?

[nigelc]

I have tried my intuitions both ways and strongly prefer moulding them without insoles. The liners seem to form a moulded footbed of their own. YMMV :)

[heroshmero]

Are there any problems with rubbing on the seams on the inside of the liners?

[kieran]

as far as the deeluxe liners go, the seams are on the outside. everything else will probably depend on your weight and the shape of your arch though.

[nigelc]

I have never had any problems with the rubbing from seams etc. I have had the odd issue with pressure points which required some attention with a heat gun at localised points after initial moulding. I am now on my second set of intuitions so by my count the seventh mould. They seem to pack out over 30-50 days or so, allthough the current pair are on day 41 and seem fine. I have got better at getting it right with every go.

[Beckmann AG]

Does the liner provide enough arch support without an insole?

Not unless your foot structure ranks in the topmost percentile.

Or, if your ability to rationalize is particularly effective.

[heroshmero]

Not unless your foot structure ranks in the topmost percentile.

Or, if your ability to rationalize is particularly effective.

Uh, I'm a little confused. So, you are saying the chances are slim that the liner only (with no footbed) will be supportive enough in the arch?

[Beckmann AG]

So, you are saying the chances are slim that the liner only (with no footbed) will be supportive enough in the arch?

You may get beneficial contouring (good for tactile feedback), but unless you have exceptionally solid feet (not many of those on the market), the support will not be sufficient.

'Arch support' by the way, is a misnomer. Supporting the foot by the arch is akin to pushing up on the Keystone and expecting the structure to hold without mishap.

[heroshmero]

You may get beneficial contouring (good for tactile feedback), but unless you have exceptionally solid feet (not many of those on the market), the support will not be sufficient.

'Arch support' by the way, is a misnomer. Supporting the foot by the arch is akin to pushing up on the Keystone and expecting the structure to hold without mishap.

Thanks for the clarification.

[zoltan]

In my experience, and the experience of all my friends, you need an insole. The heat moldable liner just that, a liner. It does not, and is not designed to, work as an insole.

[carvedog]

+1 for a good footbed in the liner.