H2O Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Do not get offended by my words. I want to compare the style, such as race where all the news works in detail - the setting angles , lifts,cants , inclination, etc.For example, F1-where the first solutions and innovations are tested and then put into mass production.Lets see -Carbon fiber's-it is taken from the space industry, F1, medicine and now in virtually we have in every board.Biomechanics of sport says that it is better to lift than without.I have many friends in Poland who know a lot about EC and have not heard of Böhmer and Pump styles. I always dreamed to go to Soelden - maybe next year we meet out there! I with a lift - you witout . No, no Tatoos, I am not offended! We just speak together. Soelden is amazing and the slope with the final wall is super! I hope see you in november (at the start of season) or next year in may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John H Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Interesting discussion. I've found that when I ride a wider board and use shallower angles that I'm quite comfortable using no toe or heel lift, in fact I prefer riding flat. However when I'm on narrow boards and using steep angles there is no way that I can comfortably ride without heel and toe lift. Personal experience is that stance angle needs to be considered when discussing flat or lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Interesting discussion. I've found that when I ride a wider board and use shallower angles that I'm quite comfortable using no toe or heel lift, in fact I prefer riding flat. However when I'm on narrow boards and using steep angles there is no way that I can comfortably ride without heel and toe lift. Personal experience is that stance angle needs to be considered when discussing flat or lift. Yes, of course! Also in my opinion, to be considered: - stance (I am 175 cm and my stance is 48/49 cm) - angles/board widht (I ride normally 22-22,5 w boards, with boots mp.27, and my angles are 45°/52°) - boots/binding flex Once I rode normally narrow boards too, with toe/heel lift too, but now when I ride (sometimes in a season) narrow boards (18-19 cm w, or rarely a Pogo Stilett 184, 15 w), I set my bindings equally flat. I think I can confortably use steep angles as my boots are very flexible in forward lean (comfort) but with a good side transmission (as every hardboot). As Pokkis said before, last april in Solden I could tested some narrow boards (Virus and Oxess), with cants and lifts but i didnt like feeling, most propably due too habit to ride flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Cant/lift, in my opinion, plaster the body in a comfortable position (especially using stiff hardboots) but at the same time reduce the movement ability. This is mechanically incorrect. So tired of this argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Cant and or lift will make your stance more comfortable,unless you are moving up to the next level (a plate that is flexable) you are riding on outdated equipment and you deserve all the discomfort it will give you.:p:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Cant and or lift will make your stance more comfortable,unless you are moving up to the next level (a plate that is flexable) you are riding on outdated equipment and you deserve all the discomfort it will give you.:p:confused: :D thank you for the valuable advices but for now I continue to ride with all the discomfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Lucky European powder carver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Sorry, probably I don't understand: why powder carver? In flat it is possible to carve also on icy steep slopes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoos Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Would it not be more productive to argue what color of pants are best? Neither side is going to EVER convince the other that they're wrong. I think both could agree that if someone's setup feels good and causes no issues with their riding, then it's good for that rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Use any and all tools available to make your setup good for you. Where i ride the conditions are not always great so the use of a plate on a board helps smooth out the bumps and keeps me on the slopes longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Ok, thanks, I've understood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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