Bobby Buggs Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Im always looking for ways to get ready for the season. When you break down the turn you have your push and pull. You can go to the gym and do all the Push you want but you dont work the Pull muscles. Anyone have a way to get this work done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 what about those ab-crunch chairs at the gym? you rest your forearms on em and bring your knees up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCrobar Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I think a Rowing Machine might really help with your leg issue! A rowing machine also closely replicates the pushing and pulling motion when carving. Check out the industry standard ... http://www.concept2.com/us/default.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 About 12 years ago I built a universal gym out of 80 board feet of 4x4 cedar and 300.00 worth of nuts, bolts,pullies and cables from Ace Hardware.It started out as just a way to build a bench press rack that looked like furniture but the project quickly took on a life of it's own and morphed into a very functional all around gym that includes pullies at slightly above shoulder level and at ankle level.The ankle level pullies work for both hamstring and glute execises as well as inclined flys. They serve the exact purpose you mentioned when pulling movements are performed while sitting in a chair during positive and negative reps.Many health clubs I have been to have pully machines on which similar exercises can be done.There are of course more traditional 'prone position hamstring machines but I also like to replicate real life movements as much as possible and find doing it with pullies also recruits more core and periferral muscle. ps,It took alot of coaxing to get Maureen to let me move the machine from Colorado to Idaho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Buggs Posted December 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dont tease us, show a picture of this wonder machine We have a rowing machine at the guy, Im going to try it tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Ok, I was afraid you might say that.Now I have to come clean and say I have not yet made space in the shed as our old fixerupper of a house here in Idaho does not have the space yet.I will get it out of the garage soon(too much accumulated stuff in there) I have been installing insulation in the shed so it will hold heat long enough to avoid hypothermia.I have been getting my workouts in mostly through the club where my spinning studio is,but have been wanting to ressurect the beast since I hate to wait my turn to use machines.I will post pics soon,because it is pretty cool and functional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik J Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'm certainly no fitness expert. With that said...I love hill running. The steeper the better. My home is surrounded by rolling fields. Just across the street I have a hill about 150 yards long that undulates in steepness. I've read that exercises that have you raising your knees up high builds powerful, "explosive" energy. So on the way up I keep my knees high. I do laps and alternate between running forward and backwards up the hill. (Try running uphill backwards - now that's a good thigh burner.) I jog lightly dowhill between the hill reps. I also run on grass which keeps the impact down. If you're at the gym, a stairclimber that allows a long range of movement (getting the knees up high and then pushing them to an elongated position) for your legs may help. It's also a low impact exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Pull and push muscles are actually the same. Or, if you wish, there are only push muscles. Or, pull motion is still a push but weaker then cetrifugal force you are experiencing in that part of the turn. If you were to really pull, you would end up in an instant airborn edge change, or fall. This is why we experience quad burn but noting on the aft side of our upper legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Even if one does not consciously use a certain muscle group,in an activity that heavily favors one group and underutilizes another it makes sense to train the underutilezed muscle to avoid imbalance.Cyclists for example, notoriously have shortened hamstrings and lack range of motion for lack of use and or, not stretching . I actually do feel the pulling sensation when I think about it and have fun making it happen when transitioning from heel to toe edge.I'm not the expert on what works for everybody that many here seem to be but I know what works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Buggs Posted December 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Steve I agree with the balance/imbalance piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 It is not weight training, but I got to ride a Ripstik the other day and I was amazed at how it replicated the push/pull movements. I think that it is a great training tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bullet Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Try riding a bike to work. With clipless pedals the push/pull workout is inevitable. I started bike commuting the 1st week in November. It's 12mi each way. My legs felt great the first day on the slopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Glynn Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I think D-SUB is reffering to a simple piece of equipment called a Roman chair. There is no seat to it, just padded armrests and handles at the ends and it is elevated so when in it your feet are off the ground. It is a very simple but great exercise especially when weights are added to the feet. You just hang suspended from your fore arms and draw your legs up to simulate a sitting position or higher. It is great for developing that retraction move necessary for that quick cross under move in racing or aggressive riding and skiing. In my opinion a must do exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Stand in one spot and jump up and down. Keep a quiet upper body, so it's all in the legs. If you have some kind of ankle weight on while you do this, that'll hammer you more, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfell Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Grab onto a pull up bar, try to keep a steady as possible and lift your legs straight out in front of you, lower and repeat. Much harder than a roman chair because you have to use you core to stabalize you as well as lift your legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 That last one sounds like murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I think a Rowing Machine might really help with your leg issue! A rowing machine also closely replicates the pushing and pulling motion when carving. Check out the industry standard ... http://www.concept2.com/us/default.asp Ergometers (rowing machines) are evil. Evil evil evil. Just don't be "that guy" and use it wrong. Power stroke goes legs, back, arms. Return stroke goes arms, back, legs. Mess it up and you risk being backhanded by an actual rower. 2000 meters in under 7 minutes separates the men from the boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Well if you're weight training and you're concerned about balance, you need to be doing deads or even better stiff-legged deads along with your squats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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