nurse ben

How much shipped to 98801?

I also have a set for sale, so once these are gone, anyone interested can send me a PM

I bought the ATB's a few years back when I got into hard booting, then bought some used RTR for my son and remade them as a poor man's ATB. The ATB is in excellent condition, hardly used during the one season we rode hard boots. The RTR is in good condition, most wear being from the previous owner, soles are barley worn. The boots are set up with different tongues so the flex was made "comparable". The ATB has a "mid stiff" black tongue and the RTR has a "soft" red tongue. The boots have similar flex patterns, with the ATB having a slightly softer shell. Shell fit is identical. The ATB have the stock Flo liners, the RTR have Scarpa (Intuition) wrap liners; note that the RTR pictures show red liners shown and a velcro power band, but they are now black liners, same size and fit and they have a "bungee style" power band. I also have a "stiff" grey tongue that I can sell seperately OR in combination with one of the boots OR I can swap tongues to whatever configuration folks want. I also have one set of used alpine heel and toe pieces I can throw in for folks who don't want the hiking sole, as well, you can always buy alpine sole pieces and reconfigure the boots for alpine only. Both boots are shell size 291/312. Liners are sz 12-13. My son and I wear a sz 13 street shoe. Looking for best offer plus shipping, lower 48 only. I'm not on the forum much, so you'll get a faster response if you send an email to benkadasATgmailDotcom ATB: RTR:

I paid $650 last summer, current retail is $625, but there is a sale on for $100 off, so $525 is the lowest retail price. These boots come with a custom tongue option (black), which is really how they should come standard. Anyway, I just got low balled so I'm a little irked, but beside that, I'd say 2/3 of retail is a fair price. I might bicker some, depends on the buyer. I am looking for a board, specifically an SG Cult in the longer length (168), this is what I'll be buying with the proceeds from the boots. So maybe someone with the "spare" right board could make me a deal, hint, hint, hint :)

Updated with pictures. Someone buy these boots so I can send Bola some money :)

Yes, they are still for sale, liners are included. Do you want them with the red soft tongue or the stiffer black tongue? I also have the stiffest grey tongue available. Personally I think they ride better with a stiffer tongue, esp if you plan to use them unlocked. I'm motivated to sell them...send me a PM with your email and I'll send you some pics. Ben

These are the 2010 ATB with the white/clear colored shell, liners are UPZ, tongue choices include Red (soft OEM tongue), Black (mid stiff), Grey (stiff), currently they are set up with Black tongues which I think give them a little needed support. They were used last Summer for five days at A Basin, then a couple days over Xmas break. I have another pair of UPZ ATB boots, so these are up for sale. UPZ liners are from another a slightly older pair of UPZ boots, flow liners, leather construction, adjustable/removeable velcro tongue, in good condition. Inside shell dimension is 285mm. I wear a sz 13 street shoe/running shoe, and they fit me well, but my son wears the same size shoes, has extra long big toes, and he says they're too short. Barefoot standing in the shell, I have ~1/2-3/4" of space behind my heel. In the liner my toes barely touch the end and when buckled up and riding they fit perfect. Shells are labeled 8.5/9/9.5 and 291/312mm. For a good fit, I'd suggest sizing your foot to the shell so that, barefooted with your foot flat inside the boot and your toes touching the end of the boot, you have 1/2-3/4" of space remaining behind your heel. To figure out your fit, measure your bare foot standing flat footed on the floor, then add some wiggle room. Cash Price: $400 plus shipping from 37830. USA sales only, thanks for understanding. Trades: I have my heart set on an SG Cult 168, so if you have one to trade, well let's make a deal! I might consider other boards, but it needs to be a similar style of board...no junk or beaters, 23ish waist, stiffish, pow tip, AM board for a 200# guy. Pictures added:

The white ATB's on the left of this picture are the ones for sale, liners are UPZ or Scarpa Thermowraps, buyers choice. Accepting offers, can provide more pics if needed, boots have been ridden fewer than one dozen tims, not hiked, resort use only.

Not parting out, boots sold as is with a choice of tongues, that is all; as if that's not enough :rolleyes: I'll post pics Sunday. Shipping from Tennessee, 37830. These are some great boots, but I have my other set of RTR with the ATB soles, so I'm selling the nicer of the two sets. Even though the shells are the same, the ATB seems to have a little more volume than the older RTR. FYI, the ATB with black tongue is very similar to the RTR with red tongue.

I have two pairs of ATB's, one set was supposed to be for my son, but he's not taking to hard booting, so I'm lookiing to sell one pair to fill the new board fund :D I can't post pics from here, but when I get back from Utah I'll get some up. Presently the boots are set up with the mid stiff black tongue, which works better in my opinion, but I can put the red tongue back on if this is preferred, I also have the stiff grey tongue. Looking for best offer... Boot is marked with a 291/312 boot sole length. Inside shell measures ~12.5" heel to toe. I wear a mondo 30 in ski boots, a sz 13 in most street shoes and running shoes. I have a medium to low volume/narrower foot and they fit fine, but I use spacers and a thick insole to get a good fit. They would fit a fatter foot for sure, esp high volume and high arch.

@Hilux Try riding them with liners from your other boots. Did you heat them yet? If you have pain where the tongue edge presses into your shin, you may need to try and curve/flex them backwards so the edge is flatter. Also, with heating this edge will recess into the liner. They are stiff liners, so even though I have a set, both of my boots are set up with Scarpa thermowraps. BTW, my son and I used the UPZ RTR-ATB with the red tongue (soft) and the UPZ ATB-ATB with the black tongue (medium),, they are pretty close to the same feel, though it seems like the RTR with red tongue is a little bit softer flexing; I rode them the most.

UPZ is sorta widish, go long and you might get a good fit, consider an aftermarket liner that is all thermofit and will squish down; he factory liner is not as "squishable". Do the linerless fit first, ie put your foot in the shell with the liner removed. If you get a fit that allows for a liner fill on either side of your foot, then you're golden. Length, well, you gotta a fat foot so that's the price you pay :D

Okay, so the tongue swap was easy, just remove one buckle and clasp from the black tongue and RTR boot, then swap away. I plugged the holes with rubber sealant, worked great so far. I did end up using a long clasp (ladder) on the black tongue because the positioning placed it to far for the buckle to reach. Adding the AT soles to the RTR was trickier, the heel is a perfect fit, but the toe requires some shaving along the edges where two ridges prevent the toe from making good contact with the boot shell. it was easilly done with a razor knife in fifteen minutes. I'm hard pressed to say which boot combo I like best. For sure, the white "soft shell" ATB is a better all around boot with a stiffer tongue and likewise the RTR is a nicer all around boot and soft snow capable. Both were ridden locked and unlocked depending on snow conditions. I like UPZ boots :) Next step: Adding tech fittings (dynafittings) to one sole set for splitboard use.

Anyone in line for this yet? Can you put up some pics? Thin edges, as in ground a few time and became thin??

No need to file anything, just contact your credit card company once the charge has come through, then tell them (VISA or whomever) that the product was not delivered and to cancel the charge. It is very easy to do, I had to cancel a charge on a Concept II Rower ($550) and VISA took care of the rest.

I have a few more days in the UPZ ATB, so I figured I could chime in :) I bought the 2011 white ATB last summer from Bola, rode them for a couple weeks at Abasin and Loveland boot packing. The original liner fit small, so I ordered a replacement and in the meantime used my tele liners, some thermowrap Scarpas. I was able to get a good fit and since I'm still waiting on my replacement liners I have cont to use the Scarpas. I found the ATB to be quite soft when unlocked, so that meant I had to rode them locked, which was fine in firm conditions, but really not that great when the snow was soft/loose. So over the summer I puchase some older UPZ RTR with black and grey tongues. I replaced the sole with the ATB sole and then swapped tongues between the two boots, putting the red tongue on the stiffer RTR and the black tongue on the ATB. I rode both boots one day at our local WSOD, then three days at Brighton (Utah). I can't say which boot I like more, they have some different riding characteristics, the RTR having a stiffer shell so lateral flex is less than the ATB, but with the stiffer tongue in the ATB it seemed to help with overall stiffness in the ATB. I ended up preferring the ATB with the black tongue for all around riding, though I could easilly ride the RTR with red tongue and be quite happy; the RTR setup would be a nice way to get an ATB on the cheap :) I have a couple concerns with the UPZ heel as the four bolts holding the heel in place are not that secure. Because the heel itself, not the shell, is retaining the heel bale, there is a lot of pressure on those four bolts. On the boot side, the Tnuts are pretty solid, but on the heel side the bolt heads are not that secure and could pull through the heel block. I can't see an easy fix other than modifying the heel block with some metal inserts to better retain the bolt heads. I did reinstall the RTR heel block with epoxy to reduce play between the boot and heel. Also, if you do choose to order some ATB soles for an older pair or RTR, keep in mind that you do need to do some dremel/razor knife work in order to make the toe fit AND be sure and order the rubber "half moon" that fills the slot in the boot shell so the bale stays put. I'll post some pics when I get a chance. Great boots!!

This time of year it comes and goes, so it was good the two Saturdays prior to Turkey weekend, but got sloppy the following Sunday on both weekends. If we could just hold onto some cold days and build a base... It looks lke this Saturday could be cold enough, but the warming trend comes back next week, so who knows about Dec 9th. I'd stay up in WV, it's gotta better at Timberline. Were heading back to Utah for New Years, gonna do some carving, a little skiing, and some skinning :)

All you all is the correct pronunciation when referring to Southerners in the plural ;) As for me, I ain't from around here, it's just where I live until 2014. Rode at Sugar a couple weeks back, nice little WSOD from midstation, conditions were adequate; I was in Utah last week, so I guess that's why I'm getting kind fickle about the local playground :lol: Heading to Sugar or App this coming weekend, anyone wanna meet up?

I bought a Donek "custom" over the summer and have four days on it so far this season. Technically it's an FC with rubber dampening, very low camber, stiff for my 6'/200#, variable side cut, blunt tip. Coming from "normal" snowboards, this thing really scared me as I pulled it out of the box, but once it was on my feet it was a dream to ride. I'd even go as far as to say that it turns easier than any of my other boards (Prior MFR, Hammer, Rossi). I did get a shorter board, 165cm, but with the actual edge it ride fast and stable. The board is 23.5cm to accomodate angles of 42/45 with a mondo 30 boot (UPZ 27.5). I think you're going to need to get those angles closer together (five degrees of diffeence) or you'll never find a happy medium; i.e board will always be too narrow for back foot or too wide for front foot. Sean makes a great board, custom to your needs for the same price as a factory board by other mfgs, and it's at least as good, probably better. Where else can you specifiy tip and tail style, top and bottom graphics, metal or rubber, build structure, sidecut and dimensions, and USA built and bred? BTW, I'm a East Coast rider too, but three of those days were at Brighton Utah last week. Yes, it totally sucked :p

You poor SOB! I moved to VA from Oregon in 1994, then to TN in 1999, stuck here for three more years then we're off to UT. Get a mountain bike or better yet a muni, and a whitewater kayak if you want to float, save your pennies and frequent flier miles for trips to the Rockies. Last couple years we drove to CO for 2-3 weeks in early June, makes for a nice break from the humidity. Charleston, that's out there, might want to look at kite boarding.

I might be interested in the Donek, just waiting on pics... When you say the camber is dead, what does that mean?

Scarpa/Intuition Liners - use Intuition heat pipe blower or a convection oven.* The Scarpa and Intuition Power Wrap liners are different.* The Scarpa variant is 6mm soft and 6 mm high density foam while the Intuition liner is 3mm soft and 12 mm high density.* If you are using a convection oven @ 120°C heat for 8-10 min for the Scarpa and 12-15 min for the Intuition.* http://www.nstelemark.com/NSTelemark/Telemark_Boot_Fitting.html If you bought the Scarpa brand thermowraps from Gear X, then use Scarpa instructions. Move the oven rack to the lowest position, line the rack with tin foil, heat up the oven, place one liner at a time on tin foil, make sure the liner won't expand into an element; tin foil over the liner is not a bad idea. I usually turn the oven off at this point so the burner's don't turn on while my liner is cooking. The liner is ready when it is floppy. If it starts smelling burnt, you need to get it out fast, but some smell is normal, more of rubbery smell, just no burnt Like I said, I don't cook my liners anymore cuz they fit fine after a few days of use, but you can get a better heel pocket with cooking.

The Scarpa thermowraps cook normal, just like TofuTurkey ;) I don't cook em, too many times my liners shrank in length, so now I spot heat using a sock filled with rice heated in the microwave :) Hair drier on high also works if you're patient. :D

Okay, I'll admit this before starting: I'm a skier, worse, I'm a telemarker. All of my race training is as a skier. So when I think about edging, body position, transitions, etc... I think in skiing terms. Do you all know what I mean by making your body into a "C" to counteract the forces of gravity and to keep the weight on the edges? Some of the picture show a very laid out position, which is certainly fun, but is more likely to push the board/edge across the snow (destablize). Notice the body position that Jasey is keeping is more of a C, which keeps some downward pressure on the edge. This also allows a quicker transition to the other edge. Another thing to consider; more of my ski training, is that your body will follow your extremeties and head, meaning that if you drop your hands, shoulders your body will follow. In this case, you may be leading with your hands before your body and the board are ready to drop, in essence forcing the turn and leaning the board too early, which would cause you to skid or rail. In skiing, a few exercises we practice are skiing without poles with your hands in front of you (in the box) pretending you have a light on your hips and shoulders with the goal of keeping the "light" pointed down the fall line. These techniques prevent shoulder drop and body twisting, helping you maintain proper body positon and keeping your square to the fall line. I know, damn skiers

Hey OC, I tried to send you an email, but it's not enabled, so... Saw your post on the Swoard... the Swoard was one of the boards I looked at when I was looking to get a carver. In fact I reviewed all the boards that I could find that "fit" my needs, then I called Sean at Donek. He knows all these boards better than me, knew about adding rubber vs metal, VSR, etc... so when I told him what I thought I wanted, he said: "so, you want a VSR FC with rubber." The best part was that I chose every aspect of my board: width based on stance and BSL, flex based on weight, VSR based on the hills and style I ride, one layer rubber instead of metal (some dampening while retaining durability), length, tip and tail design, materials used, base, colors, etc... and the I'm pretty sure my Donek is still less than a Swoard. Don't be afraid to talk to Sean about a custom, it's at least as good as getting a production board, quite possibly better. Okay, I won't pester you anymore :)