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Dynafit toepieces on the splitboard are the best!
Will at Spark offers adapter plates so you do not even need to drill your splitboard to mount the toepieces.
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As to tinkering, I think the sparks plate (better interface) with toe and heel blocks of any good plate binding would be the best split setup available.
I have an unfinished conversation with Will (Spark) about putting the F2 toe and heel on the Spark binding plates. Obviously it would be a modification and I need to find out if he thinks his base plate is strong enough to be T-nutted since it is designed to have softboot binding hardware mounted to its sides, instead of through the top / bottom like the Voile slider.
He has been working on a plate binding with lateral flex (much like the Sidewinder), but it did not make it out of prototyping last year. I am not sure where he stands at the moment, but it looks like the prototype design is on hold. He is still interested in producing a splitboard plate binding, but it seems his softboot splitboard binding is so successful that he is having a hard time finding time to finish the plate binding project.
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Softbootsailor - As Snowman mentioned earlier, I think many of us will agree that YOU are not the driving force behind the negative light shed on softbooters on this forum. I (personally) would be disappointed to see you sign off permanently.
One more who agrees with this post.
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It is MIA at the moment, but hopefully it returns soon. It would be a huge loss.
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Alright, fine. I'll pipe in.
Seeing how much drama this poll alone has created, I think adding a whole separate area for softbooters is going to promote more softbooters on the forum in general and therefore more drama - not give them a place to bicker on their own. Inclusion is a great thing, but we have to remember it isn't like these people have no where else to go to discuss.
This is a hardboot forum, and while I'm all for those of you who can carve in softies - this is still a hardboot forum. We don't ask to get special areas to discuss our niche area of the sport on TGR and other forums, so I don't think asking to keep this as a place for those of us who love to carve in hardboots is too much to ask.
Part of the reason I love carving so much is because of the small community and closeness that comes from a smaller (in comparison) group of people who take part in the sport. A softbooter who has interest in hardbooting or in the freeride boards offered by primarily alpine board makers is one thing, but I would hate to see our sense of community and pride be watered down by creating an outlet for additional controversy and discussions that take away from the main point of why we are all here.
In summation, I agree with Jack and two_ravens: please make a decision and yank this post.
Excellent post and the longer this thread goes, the more I feel this way. I would prefer the thread be locked at some point (soon), but not deleted. It has been really interesting to watch what happens when it is asserted that BOL is a hardbooting website.
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I absolutely agree with both BlueB and Puddy Tat but understand there are still limitations to carving in slush.
A couple of years ago I got to ride one of the early decambered noses from Bruce in May (with Don at Bachelor actually). One side of the run was slush and the other side was in the shade and still frozen. Of the other two metal boards with traditional noses I was testing that day (one Prior and one Coiler), only the decambered nose Coiler was so smooth at the transition of the ice / slush.
I was fully sold!
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I love groomer ridges. Sometimes.
Landing in a carve is so cool! It is amazing how far, distance wise, you can travel in the air before landing on edge.
The technique of loading the tail is good to learn anyway because it can also be used to make edge changes quicker or to pump the board to a high speed in flatter sections.
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Hey Alaskan,
You and Jon are headed in the right direction.
I was assuming your weight was probably in line with your boot size, it is.
My opinion is that you are right to be afraid of the Voile Mountain Plates. I rode on a pair all of last year's powder and volcano climbing season. Even at my 145 pounds I am very terrified of them on steep firm corn descents.
I am a light weight and have pretty small feet. I use F2 bindings for carving and F2 toe and heel bails off a different set (I use modified Scarpa F1s for splitting) mounted to the Voile plate for splitboarding. I really like that set up and feel safe when things are critical.
The F2 mod for splitting will not work for bigger feet and at 200 pounds, Bomber TD2, 3, or Sidewinders are probably better durability wise for you (although there are 200 pounders on F2s) for carving. If the money is there, go for the Sidewinders, if not, a used pair of TD2s should work really well for you carving.
For split bindings, bomber split bindings, at your weight and lines you want to ride, are probably the best option for you. You can occasionally find them used on Splitboard.com if you are patient.
Good luck.
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^^^^^ Time for this guy to go. Nothing to offer.
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Hey Skiman!!! It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy knowing I mean so much to you that you would go through all this and get so emotional over little ol' me. You think about me all the time don't you. I know you do, I'm in your head and hard booters with your oppinions are just a bunch of dirty skiers.:p
Edit: Tell Tex to man up and delete his ignore "list" (what a pussy)
Can we get rid of this guy and his drive for negative attention yet? He offers nothing but headaches.
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Here, I googled it for you - Alpine Snowboarding.
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You could PM monodude, since he is not posting here yet. He might be able to offer some help.
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Don't waste your time. I've got something better for you to talk to....
Can we get rid of this guy and his drive for negative attention yet? He offers nothing but headaches.
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I had no idea you were so religious!:lol::lol::lol:
Why are you F'in up another thread that has nothing to do with you?
Can we get rid of this guy and his drive for negative attention yet? He offers nothing but headaches.
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What gets on my tits is the anti-SB twattishness being shown in this thread........
But, you know, if you're not wearing hardboots with BTS, mounted on Sidewinders and riding 1000$+ of metal deck, you're obviously scum.
Yeah, this is the "Carving Community".
Shame it's full of elitist gearhead w*nkers.
Tufty, you are way off in your interpretation of what is being argued in this thread. Most every carver I know has full respect for other carvers on any type of snow sliding equipment. Yes, there is a lot of noise, but maybe you could read through it one more time. There is actually very little anti-softboot rhetoric and nothing about what hardboot gear one rides. It is mostly hardboot carvers arguing to keep the Carving Community for hardboot discussions.
I never considered that BOL was anything but a hardboot site where discussion about softboots sometimes occurs. I consider a softboot forum a significant step up from the Off Topic forum. It is really interesting to see posters perplexed and upset by this notion.
Hardboot carving is different, both in equipment and technique, than softboot carving. It will be much simpler (and with fewer flame wars) to keep the topics separate. A large number of BOL members posting and voting here will participate in the softboot forum because we also softboot.
Personally, I voted "no", because not only is it carving, no matter what the board or boots you ride, but the techniques cross over. I can see an argument for having a separate forum, though.....I have a tendency to chat with hardbooters and skwallers at work, and anyone who is obviously ripping it on softies. I've been known to go out and rip with them on my lunchbreaks, days off, and late start days. that goes for the swallowtail / dupraz guys, too. And occasionally a few of those satanic "two-plankers". What matters is knowing how to ride, not what you're riding on.
Personally, you wouldn't get me in softies any more, but that's personal choice. Hell, saw a guy today on a Rossi race deck, with softies. Mounted duck. I would have laughed, but he was cutting clean, pure lines in ice. "Hey", I thought to myself, "carver, not a twat", and had a chat with him.
This part of your post is exactly what most of us, with a couple of exceptions, feel. I just met a ripping softy carver today, duck stance and it did not matter which way he was facing, he carved. We are all after the same feeling. I bet this is how even our two exceptions would act on the hill (probably ;)).
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AS usual Dr. D, you bring some meassure of sanity to what has become a wholly spiteful, myopic and pissy panty-raid. It seems every grouping of people will always have a percentage of ignorant bigots that make much of rest of the group look bad, all the while thinking that people agree their juvenile pettiness. There are at least 5 HERE. That type of mis-guided self-aggrandizing is as old as the hills. Politics in D.C. would sure be a lot different if there weren't arrogant bigots there. For one thing, in a sad way they make it marginally entertaining. I've learned to live with people like that a long time ago. There are ALWAYS a few. A softboot carve forum?? Sure....sounds good to me...the air is getting slightly stifling in here anyway. Maybe we'd even get some converts from the hardhead side...oops, I mean the hardboot side. ;)
Alaskan, you don't get it at all. Why are you here?
You come to BOL, a hardboot forum, a couple of days ago and expect it to bend to your expectations about welcoming someone who says they are done with hardboots (ski boots at that, never tried snowboard hardbooting) in their first post! You then proceed to spew posts everywhere, some even about hardboot technique.
With your expectations I bet you get to see more "arrogant bigots" than really exist. Why don't you take your act to some other forum and see how it works there.
Good luck.
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One could argue that all I'm talking about is "Kessler effect." I would disagree, and with evidence. I had a 185. I eventually realized that I did not it, and stuck with my then go-to board (Virus Berserker (metal)). But, Shane and I traded our Kesslers - I got his 180, he got my 185 (I think the 180 came through Brian; my 185 was from Vic Wild). The 180 was, and is, simply astonishing. By "astonishing," I mean that, when you - as a rider – spew over aspects of your board (e.g., “it is stable at scary speeds” or “it holds an edge for me like no other” or “it saves me” or “it initiates and exits a turn for me perfectly” or “I don’t know how it does it” and so on), the 180 does it all. Crazy awesome.
That is a great story that really highlights the complexity of hardbooting. It also offers some explanation to the huge variation of opinions that can be found from rider to rider.
Regarding quiver killers, I really need to break it down into carving and powder.
Carving, at the moment I have one carve board, a Coiler 165 VSR. It is version #3 for me and Bruce working toward a perfect board for me and it is really impressive. I am considering a Kessler built for my weight for next season to test against this Coiler.
Powder, I am mostly riding the 172 rockered Tanker, but it is a bit big in tight trees for my 145 pounds (unless it is deep). I expect a slightly heavier rider would have an easy time with it in tighter trees. For a true quiver killer powder board for me, I would have to still go with my 166 Spearhead (although it does not get ridden much). It is stable at speed, it is quick turning when you need it, and it has great float for its size.
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snowman has a point, though. IDK why people are even arguing about this. if it's not obvious why this forum is here I don't know how it could be made so.
+1 So simple.
This forum is accepting of softboot carving discussion and powder riding by regular members here, but this is not a site about carving a snowboard in general. Softboot carving is fun, but it does not compare to hardboot carving. This is obviously a site about carving in HARDBOOTS. It is written all over the place.
I definitely voted for the softboot forum because I do like softboots at certain times and definitely respect any carver be it on skis, softboots, or hardboots. The softboot forum seems like the best way to simplify the hardboot based main forum, Carving Community.
Now a rant:
The fact that two significant posters of words and rants in this thread (Photodad and Alaskan Rover) are avowed softbooters who say they do not want to get into hardboots is too much and it is getting really annoying. I am all for a more open minded BOL, but you guys are not making a good case for yourselves and softbooters on BOL.
Alaskan, you have been one of the top posters in this thread at 15 and you joined BOL on March 1st, 6 days ago. Your overall post count is already 44! Unless you are a former member or been lurking for a long time, I don't think you know much about us yet. So, as has been said several times, just chill out for a little while and learn about BOL.
Photodad, you've got 19 post in this thread. Most of it noise.
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Come on Snowman, it is a question for real consideration.
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That's odd...I could have sworn this forum said: "Carving Community"....I didn't realize that it somehow subliminally said "hardboot forum". Sorry, my mistake. I'll have to put my 3-D Subliminal Message Glasses on ($34.95...at Rite Aid). Okay...I have them on now, and be danged if it still says "Carving Community". And now I see that looming large in that title is the word "Community". Isn't "community" a place where people with common interests get together? And one would, upon application of logic, presume that from that title, that the common interest is "carving".
I still don't see where it says "hardbooters only...all others go away". I guess maybe I went too cheap on these subliminal message glasses. Dang. Wasted $35 bucks!!
The Carving Community description does say "This is the mother of all carve/hardboot/alpine snowboarding discussions"
The Off Topic forum description says "Anythings goes! All topics that are non-alpine snowboard related"
The Video forum description says "A collection of hardboot'n video links"
The Photo forum description says "Serious Alpine Snowboarding eye-candy and photog tech discussion."
Under Classifieds it says "Buy and sell hardboot gear"
Equipment reviews are also hardboot specific in their descriptions.
FYI Alpine snowboarding is hardbooting. If you want to argue that the word "carve" in the Carving Community description allows softbooters, I refer you to the Off Topic description which says "All topics that are non-alpine snowboard related."
Obviously, all of this is very loosely interpreted, but you cannot say this forum and its descriptions are not about hardboots.
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Snowman, what do you propose the powers at BOL do with all those who clearly want to discuss topics about softboots?
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You may notice on rereading that I said hardboot roots and my setup I said nothing about my big gorrilla as s on a BX course. if you watched the qualifying rounds you would know the corner I am talking about. one after another they sketched out because their butts were 3 feet from the board and below the board. no way to even come close to holding and edge thru the chop. A hardboot body technique and a forward stance would bring the butt and the weight back over the edge and that heelside chopped up corner comes a lot easier! all I'm saying:biggthump
oh yeah and the board I am riding is a one off from an oxxess BX board so its just as advanced as what was on that course. props to Bruce and the coiler tech
Yes, I missed the part that you were not riding the set up.
I bet a number of them are really good on hardboots but they have to choose the best equipment for the entire BX course. Not sure if plates would have been better for that corner or not, possibly so.
I think the ultimate limitation of softboots is the flex in the system, not the body position of the carve. You can still stack your weight on the edge with lower angles just like you can with higher angles.
We (Rebecca) possibly have a similar board from Bruce.
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If the Bxer's in vancouver had some hardboot roots and my setup that hard left chopped up corner would not have dumped half of them on their butts. the sittin on the pot jibber stance burned a lot of them.
I can understand you are frustrated by some of the posts you are responding to and I don't want to loose the just of your post, but get real.
That course would have kicked your and your set ups ass and there is no way you could come close to competing with those world class BXers.
Should we offer a Sub-Forum for Softboot Carving?
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This idea has been taken too far itself. Very little of this thread is anti-softboot. Most of it is saying that BOL is a hardboot carving forum. Almost no one here wants anyone to go away because they ride softboots, but they are expected to recognize that they are posting in a hardboot forum. We certainly both share the carving experience.
Can someone please start quoting the people who want to get rid of softbooters or tell them to "STFU" on BOL so we can have some evidence? I am sure a couple can be found, but this is a long thread with lots of posters.
Again, many of us are also softbooters and have an interest in softboot discussions!