newcarver Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 How steep of a run do you need to do linked EC turns? I was getting them down on an incline of around 30-35 degress but it was still hard to keep up my momentum. And how the heck do you do a heel side EC carve? I'm able to do toe side, but the heel side ones are totally out of my grasp. I just end up doing a standard carve turn until I get back on the toe side. Not even sure how to initiate the heel side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Steeper. Turns out dragging your body on the snow is a very effective means of speed control. FYI, 30 to 35 degrees is steeper than most groomed runs. Most people overestimate slope angle by quite a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Old story about slope degrees vs. grade... 35* is about as steep as it gets on most groomed runs. We've got one of that awerage pitch, that drops to 45* at one spot. I'd say you do not need anything steeper than that and can pull it off with less. However, 35 grade would mean 35' drop over 100' length, which equals to only 19*. EC should still be doable on that, at least 4-5 linked turns. If you are not sure how to initiate heel side, I wouldn't go to a supper steep pitch - you might end up sliding head first... Anyways: Committment (takes guts to launch down before your board, heelside), rotation, strong push-pull. Cross-under as low as you can, that way you are already close to the snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarvingScooby Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Something like this guy (C pix) Building my guts to throw my self down the slope on heel side turn, my cross-under isn't low enough I think...I blame it my beer belly...:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flywalker Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 NICE sequence shot there Scooby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbat Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 And how the heck do you do a heel side EC carve? I'm able to do toe side, but the heel side ones are totally out of my grasp. I just end up doing a standard carve turn until I get back on the toe side. Not even sure how to initiate the heel side. Just learned this at the end of last season, so take it with a grain of salt: First find the natural balance of your board. Do this by doing nice easy norm-like carves on a modest slope. Once you have that feeling, practice this position - hips square to the board, legs in as low a crouch as you can possibly achieve (you should be able to touch the edge of your board without pushing your shoulder down to reach it), shoulders parallel to your hips with your torso upright (perpendicular to the board) over the sweet spot you found in the previous step. Assume this position upon exiting from your toeside turn. Allow your body and board to roll as a unit into the heelside turn. Let the edge set and then stretch your heelside hand out in front of you, palm to the snow, arm and fingers pointing straight ahead (not toward the inside of the turn) and slowly stand up out of your crouch. If you can manage it, get to a Pureboarding clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Steepest section of Zinal LeCol is 31 degrees as average measured from 10 spots So question is not about steepnes, it is about correct equipments and technic. Take look for this one of masters in action and see that it does not require steep slope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaud Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 At 35°, and over, EC requires good skill. : the slope @ 4'30" has a maximum steepness of 72% = 36° . On icy snow, it's possible but difficult !25-30° is good for EC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinecure Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 You are definitely NOT riding 30-35 degree slopes. 35% maybe. I can easily touch the snow on 45 degree slopes. But 'carving' is not the term I'd use for the turns I make there. Jump turn would be much more appropriate. :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcarver Posted December 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Yeah, it is probably more like 20-25 degrees. There are a few spots that are steeper. We do have some groomed runs that are 35-40 degrees. They have to winch up the cats to groom them. Some of the steepest groomed runs I've seen anywhere. These are at Telluride. Unfortunately, we haven't got enough snow yet for them to open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaud Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 We are definitely riding 30-35 degree slopes. 72% for sure ... Believe this or not, but the slope seen in the video is really steep, and all the final wall is 35 - 36° Yeaaah !! it's true that grooming is not really easy ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinecure Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Sorry Arnaud. That was directed at the original poster. 36° is definitely steep. And needs winch-cats to groom it. I love those slopes. I wish I could EC on them. Hell, I wish I could EC at all. But I love going fast and steep usually = fast - especially if you don't turn too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaud Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 No problem Sinecure This slopes is crazy ! One time in January 2010 it was covered off small icy balls and it was almost impossible to stay on the edge ... But with good snow, it's a dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valsam Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 In Bulgaria there is a run called Alberto Tomba and the inclination is 73% and if its groomed with fresh snow it's the awesomest run for EC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Trysil Norway they have slope 75, with 45 degrees = 100%, groomed few times per week. http://www.skistar.com/Global/Destinationer/Trysil/Kart_web_pdf/Alpinkart/Alpinkart2011__1440.jpg No, not carved it yet but my Norvegian and Swedish friends did it :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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