Bullwings Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Just curious, what decks out there are good for pumping? I currently have a vanguard, but I'm starting to think, it's not really the board for pumping - of course I might just really suck. Also, what wheels are good for pumping? I have some 85mm 75a speedvents, and I'm also not so sure if it's suited to pumping. I was thinking of getting some 73a avilas. I want something grippy that's good for pumping. And pumping aside, anything out there with more grip than avilas? I figure the LDP from roeracing is probably a good pumping deck, but does it make a good carving board too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 The 76mm Superballs from earthwing are said to have more grip than Avila's and they come pretrimmed...I personally don't care for heavy wide wheels for flatland endeavors, try something in the 68mm-71mm range. As for pumping boards Roes, though they are custom and take a while to recieve, are probably the end all be all but this Waverly complete looks interesting and our very own xxguitarist makes a very nice pumper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 No love for the LBL Walkabout? http://www.longboardlarry.net/boards/walkabout.php Pretty dang easy to pump, but different from my plush mini..That sucker can be pumped from essentially a standstill, that's just how slow and small it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 I forgot about the LBL pumper, probably easier to get one of those than a Roe, nice boards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Never had the pleasure of riding a Roe, but I couldn't imagine that it's much better than Larry's offering. Either way, sure as heck beats walking! Now...to get the LBL dancer...:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEBSIGHT360 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Here is a site that I found full of good info: http://www.pavedwave.org/ There is lots of good info here on deck shapes and sizes, and trucks and wheels that work for this longboard discipline. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Nothing against LBL but once you've seen/ridden a Roe you will understand the hype, Subsonic Pulse is another very nice high end choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwings Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 do the boards from Roe make decent carvers too? I still want a board that's decent for carving. I'd also prefer a board that's around 36" to 42" and has some flex (i know the Roe boards have flex). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Vanguard? Still pumpable. Generally, for carving I like a heavily cambered and flexible deck, whereas for pumping, I go for a rigid one. It's a good excuse to buy two decks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 do the boards from Roe make decent carvers too? I still want a board that's decent for carving. I'd also prefer a board that's around 36" to 42" and has some flex (i know the Roe boards have flex). From all that I've heard Subsonic and LBL are the fastest working custom shops right now. I'd willingly skate a board from either I would put both on par in the skateboard world with Coiler or Donek contact them about a board and what you are looking for which ever one gives you a better feeling about meeting your needs go with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwings Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Cool, thanks for the info. I was actually thinking of going with Subsonic after i found out that Roe takes months to get a board together. 4 weeks is reasonable for a board. I'll definitely be giving them a call soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 BUT .. I have several decks made from old snowboards that pump amazingly well with randall II 180's set up loose with the softest bushings I could find and ABEC 11 no schools or the like. they flex an insane amount but you can work a vertical motion into the pump and the board gives it all back when it recambers. loads of fun. miles without a foot on the pavement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 The burton is made from a stat 6 and is quite stiff. The garage is made from a (gasp) new garage board that had cosmetic problems in the nose area. Jon allowed me to modify it into a skateboard since the offending area was removed. I later added grip tape in the general area of my stance angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 using an old snowboard for make a pumping board is a viable option (if you have a board to cut up...CMC used to skate slalom on cutdown snowboards don't knock Roe out just because of the time. Yes it takes him some time to fabricate a board but it's like getting on Bruce's Build list, the board he builds is worth the wait. However since you seem to want a board before the summer is over Subsonic is probably good for a custom that you will probably use for years to come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Boards are cheap and plentiful at the pawnshop this time of year. I bought several last year at 15$ a piece. I currently have 6 or so different shapes cut down from snowboards. Its a great father son project. His buddies all come and want to borrow a board when he is out riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Perhaps if you could find a titanal board that someone broke, you could make a nice, useless skateboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwings Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Any recommendations for trucks? pavedwave recommends Bennetts. I want something that I can pump with but carve with down steeps when i need to. I was thinking of seismics with all of their crazy spring options. I don't think my R-II 180s make the best pumping trucks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Pumping is kind like flatland super giant slalom, conventional trucks (as opposed to reverse kingpin trucks) work better, A Bennett, Ace or Indy front with a Tracker RTS or Seismic stable (30* baseplate) rear would be a good pumping setup and if you don't overly wedge the front still good for hill carving, though you will have to get used to a faster turning board than most carving boards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Also, if you're not LDPing and you want a good work out, a supershort wheelbase is nice. I'm running wedged Randal 180s, going against most people's recommendation for conventional trucks. There's a video of me floating around on my camera pumping 9 miles an hour on a treadmill..the wheelbase allows for such a tiny pump stroke, but I'm essentially treating it as a flat slalom. Really, I've found if you can actually pump well, it can be as simple as tightening up the rear truck and loosening the front, and you can pretty much pump as effectively as you'd ever need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowcoach Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 The Roe Mermais LDP is a great carver as well as pumper. Don't be sucked in by old rumors about production time, tunaround is rather quick. I just recieved my new LDP in under 4wks. Art on wheels as usual. -Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavechaser Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 When it comes to pumping... Smaller wheels (62-70mm) are better - with a softer duro on the rear / harder on front. Quicker and easier to get up to speed because of the smaller diameter, and grip on the rear where your power is - with harder faster wheels on front to keep the roll going. Lighter boards are better, period. The lighter the ride (as long as it is fairly stiff) the more of your energy gets transferred to the wheels. My new Gecko is amazing...about the third pump it just takes off like it has its own power - mounted with Radikals front (Claw) and back (Wing)...expensive as heck, but what a ride! Bushings - super important for pumping. High rebound bushings made from Abec11 or similar wheels are great - and "fat" bushings like Stims or their various knockoffs (like Venom) are helpful as a bottom bushing to give retun-to-center "pop". Pump on brothers and sisters! -RF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coloradoking Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 don't be messing with venom; zach is a good guy; he's doing a good job and is making good stuff, which is starting to get more and more rare as all of the bushing and wheel companies are switching into mass production mode. either way, the stim style bushings are only one of the many kinds he's making. if you have a problem with zach's stuff please don't take potsthots at him on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Huh? He recommended the Venom bushings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Yeah he just stated that Zak, like others is making copies (also called Knock offs) of the Stim Shape...I have a bunch of Venoms and am very pleased with their performance. Both my speedboards have Venom Stims in them Also as an FYI though many of us are also members of Fish where there is some hate for slalom and Zak but no one here has expressed anything but respect for what he has brought to skateboarding...not to mention he's fricken fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavechaser Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 don't be messing with venom; zach is a good guy; he's doing a good job and is making good stuff, which is starting to get more and more rare as all of the bushing and wheel companies are switching into mass production mode. either way, the stim style bushings are only one of the many kinds he's making. if you have a problem with zach's stuff please don't take potsthots at him on the internet. Like those guys said - "Huh?" What are you on drugs? I'm reccommending those bushings be used. Talk about twisting words...jesus. But hey, thanks for filling me in...'cause you know that as a nationally competitive racer I would have NO idea what Zak (not Zach) is doing. A "knockoff" is a copy of an original design - in this case Tracker Stimulators. It's not a "potshot". And by the way, good stuff is NOT becoming more and more rare - it's the opposite...there is more and better stuff all the time. Rads, GOG, Pavel, Gecko, PPS, SK8Kings, Seismic, Abec11, Khiro, Retro, and the list goes on - all have out out new and better designs in the past year. I think maybe it is you that needs to be careful of taking potshots at people on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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