Tramp Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Winter is starting in Europe! In Austria I've seen and tested many new boards from Virus-Snowboards factoty. And I've tеsted some boards and especially one on pic. Perfect job of factory. Looks nice. But that board are the same wide eurocarving board as others making for that stile. I don't know it's meserment. The board is not stiff and have good torsion. Good riding! Interesting enough board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor VonRippington Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Cool pic! Looks to be the Extreme Carver... no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramp Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 and looks and name... Virus X-Treme carver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istvan Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Actually I have a board like that in Titanal version. Indeed a very good board. The below is a copy-paste of an e-mail I sent to someone regarding my first impressions on the board. --------------------------------- To start with the bottom-line: I got exactly what I wanted and expected! In more details, the board has the advantage of a wide board, (i.e. lower binding angles, more edge pressure due to the bigger leverage, easy to lay it down with the rotation technique, etc) without losing the manoeuvrability at lower speeds - what the ME109 tends to do, at least to me. Comparing it to the ME109, it is way more easy to drive the board at lower speeds, it absorbs unevennesses much better and needs less effort to bend. This I guess is a result of the softer nose and less camber. You can even do short partially laid turns with it on blueish slopes (Pitztal T-bar blue slope) just like with the Zylon Gladi. While you need less effort to bend it compared to the ME109, it still gives you more liveliness than the Swoard I tried under these conditions. Also a very good cruising board on long blue slopes, you can do elegant long carves with it with rotation techniqe like with a GS board and then suddenly you do 2-3 short ones with aggressive push like you would do with the Gladi. When riding on more steep parts (Pitztal top slope) I enjoyed the board being a bit more forgiving than the ME109, however, I also have to say that in the afternoon when the slope become a bit used (usual soft moguls and icy spots) sometimes I missed the brutal force of the ME109. The ME109 would go through everything without even giving you a slight signal. Maybe I just have to adjust my style and get used to the X-treme that tends to send more signals from the ground. As Pitztal does not have steep slopes like Zinal has, that part of the test will have to be done at an other time, but from what I experienced so far I would expect that the board will feel a bit smoother than the ME109 on a very steep slope and the more forgiving nature will support the rider to stay fully laid as long as possible during the turns. The other thing that I liked is that at fast speed fall line travels it felt more similar to the Gladi then to the ME109. It was very stable and absorbed well the small bumps and unevennesses without shooting me out to outer space. As for the alu-titanal top-sheet it is very nice, but you have to be really careful with it as it is less resistant at the tail than a regular board. --------------------------------- Kindest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamar Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 So you want to build an extreme carving board and don't know how? 1. You could just buy a Swoard 2. You could get the idea and outline and build your own twist and art into it, a-la Coiler EX. 3. You could pretend you can build a Swoard, get the template and secrets to the design, screw the customers not building them even with orders in place, ruin a whole season of orders for Swoard, then come out the next year with the exact copy (well, add Titanal to make it fancy)... Don't know about you, but if I had the buck, I would go for (1) or (2), and leave (3) on principle alone. Too much of a small community to screw your peers like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ursle Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Jamar you raise the question how many years did virus make swoards for, I have a 175 med swoard that I wonder about, I'd love to think it was a virus, well that's it, I think it IS a virus, great... that makes nine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor VonRippington Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 So you want to build an extreme carving board and don't know how? Nope.. and nobody on this thread asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamar Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Anyway, my point was not about how to build a board, that would put me to sleep too. I'm peeved at dishonesty and buying from such producers even if they make good products by screwing others in the process. Promise I won't rant again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest naj Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 there was a thread about this earlier... 2 sides in every story my friend..2 sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daneille Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 how many years did virus make swoards for, I have a 175 med swoard that I wonder about, I'd love to think it was a virus, well that's it, I think it IS a virus, great... that makes nine The Swoard you have is a first generation, not a Virus. Daneille Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor VonRippington Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 who made the 1st gen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramp Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Each history has at least two truths. And I do not wish to understand another's scandals. I wish to ride and take pleasure with it. I'm not the judge! I'm that who like to take pleasures from life... If I see a thing and it is pleasant to me, I take it! Also I'll not think at all at whom this manufacturer swears or lives with the world... And Burton first made first snowboard... may be... But what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Vu Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Obviously, this is a copy/paste of the Swoard. They did not even bother changning the very similar name located near the tail. I wonder how our community would react if a small company copy/paste the TD2 in all shape and format and rename it DT2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istvan Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Thor: 1st generation Swoad was produced by DuretSkis if I'm not mistaken (http://www.duretskis.com/). BTW they have a wide body snowboard, too (http://www.duretskis.com/index.php?idarticle=161). Nils, pls correct me if I'm wrong. As for the previous comments regarding Virus and Swoard... please, gimme a break... this has been discussed several times..... someone posted a question, I responded, that's all. Hope you guys don't want to execute me for buying Franks products, and respecting the Swoard team at the same time, plus attending the annual Swoard meetings, too... Kindest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramp Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I'm respect too that guys from Swoard crew and their idea of eurocarving = extremecarving and Swoard snowboards. But I as should respect with production of others manufacturers, including the Virus snowboards Co. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus the virus Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Anyway, my point was not about how to build a board, that would put me to sleep too.I'm peeved at dishonesty and buying from such producers even if they make good products by screwing others in the process. Promise I won't rant again. Hello Jamar, I hope we can stop this ugly ever and ever again discussion right here. We are in snowboard buisiness now since more than 20 years and I think we have relaly a lot of experience in building carving and alpine boards. We started building wide carving boards from 22cm center + more than five years ago and are riding and testing this prototypes since then. We stopped that project by making the boards for Swoard, as the partership ended we picked up that again and forced it, what´s the problem. Our boards are totally different in material and shape! Yes they are wide too! But there are a lot of wide boards on the market too. And we have our Extreme series for more than 12 years any rights on any name and we put the names of the board on the tails in the past too! This was definetly my last post on that story and I wish every other manufacturer best luck in his buisiness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Houghton Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Frank is correct. He was building and selling EC style boards for a number of years before Swoard approached him to make their boards. And Bruce is now making an EC style board too. Besides, it's not about what a manufacturer makes, it's about what the market buys. We have more impact voting with our money that we do whining on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Other extremecarvingboard manufacturers: Virus, Swoard,Coiler, Donek, Goltes and so on. It's nice to have some choice for us, customers.......... Another new extreme plaything(Berserker) from Franks' Hexenküche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istvan Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 On the pic I posted in my previous mail on the right you can see the ME109 which was the previous wide body snowboard produced by Virus. A great one, too. Kindest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramp Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 ME109 which was the previous wide body snowboard produced by Virus. A great one, too. Yes! Yes! Yes! I hve it too! and that boards was made and also on sale earlier then dear Swoard. Thus the Virus Co. can speak about plagiarism also. But does not speak it. And respects other manufacturer too... Peace!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokolikrat Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Besides, it's not about what a manufacturer makes, it's about what the market buys. We have more impact voting with our money that we do whining on this forum. I agree with Chris. If this elongated overpriced Wild Duck Knifer is a such a marvel, there will be enough buyers for it. For rest of us there will be Virus, Donek, Coiler or G force. I personally was not impress with this piece of wood at all and I am getting tired to listen to constant whimping from Sword"s crowd on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istvan Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Hehe... overpriced Wild Duck Knifer? Nils will love that comment :lol: Actually it is not too expensive.... and many say its a great board. Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokolikrat Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 comment :lol: Actually it is not too expensive.... Best Maybe not now, when there is a competition, but I remember how much they wanted for it a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramp Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Maybe not now, when there is a competition, but I remember how much they wanted for it a couple years ago. look here and here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Vu Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Hi Ladia Still grumpy? ;) C'mon, it is a nice day in sunshine in California!! Maybe it is the oil spill in our bay that makes you upset... As a year round windsurfer, I am very disappointed. Since I am a lousy swimmer, maybe the oil would help me float when I fall. FYI, I bought a Wild Duck in Santa Cruz for ~$100 "a couple years ago" (<--Thx Jim!!). I agree that at this price, it is X10 the price I bought the VAS from you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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