wavechaser Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hey, we biult Saturn V rockets in the sixties with 7.5 million pounds of thrust and the equivalent of 160million horsepower - and went to the moon. Can we come up with a solution to binding suck???? I hate looking at my otherwise perfect race bases and seeing the four or three little dimples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 the solution would probably frig up the flex pattern of your board. But then again, so does putting bindings on your board. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Noboard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavechaser Posted February 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 the solution would probably frig up the flex pattern of your board. But then again, so does putting bindings on your board. Hmm. Again...we built the Saturn V...we should be able to figure this out. :D Are there dimples when you attach Hangl-Spirig plates and the like?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tim Tuthill Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Ok! This has been around many times!! So, you look at your base and there they are, those dents, minor, but they are there! So what! Now I'm not the best for sure and not the worst? How can you tell they slow you down or cause any other problem while you are going down hill. A thought? If your on edge, they do not make contact with the snow! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavechaser Posted February 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Ok! This has been around many times!! So, you look at your base and there they are, those dents, minor, but they are there! So what! Now I'm not the best for sure and not the worst? How can you tell they slow you down or cause any other problem while you are going down hill. A thought? If your on edge, they do not make contact with the snow! LOL I'm not saying they slow me down - I just don't like 'em...pain in the ass when waxing too. Just sems like it can be easily engineered away - skis don't have 'em. Since you bring up the slow subject - now if I'm racing and 1/100th of second can make or break win, and I'm riding my board flat the last few gates or between the last gate and the finish, or in a SG race, can you be SURE I wouldn't be hundredths of asecond faster without them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexeyga Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I'm not saying they slow me down - I just don't like 'em...pain in the ass when waxing too. Just sems like it can be easily engineered away - skis don't have 'em.Since you bring up the slow subject - now if I'm racing and 1/100th of second can make or break win, and I'm riding my board flat the last few gates or between the last gate and the finish, or in a SG race, can you be SURE I wouldn't be hundredths of asecond faster without them?? Rick, look at it this way, these dimples actually decrease the contact surface thus reducing friction and actually increasing your speed!!! So more dimples = faster!!!! :D Practically speaking, yes it is possible to make a board which won't have that problem.. But, practically speaking, there is no real need... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pow Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Pogo boasts that their patented twin insert system eliminates binding suck along with making it nearly impossible to yank the inserts out of the board. so far so good, but ive only been riding pogo snowboards for 2 seasons so i can't confirm it just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 skis don't have 'em. duh, skis don't have inserts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pow Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 duh, skis don't have inserts. Doneks do... bout time if you ask me:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Line had inserts up till this year - they abandoned them because the bindings they designed for them apparently were rather sucky... I don't remember having binding suck back when we had to drill the boards...but I do remember ripping out a lot of bindings. I think it was a good trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikerdad Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 No suck with my Tinkler Flex Plate! The bindings screw into the plate, not the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I say add more dimples for speed!.. ... and Noboard (yeah, Tex). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik J Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hey, we biult Saturn V rockets in the sixties with 7.5 million pounds of thrust and the equivalent of 160million horsepower - and went to the moon. I bet if Bomber had the same funding and manpower as NASA we'd have some REALLY cool stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavechaser Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Just think of all the races I could win if my bindings had 7.5 Million pounds of thrust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pow Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Just think of all the races I could win if my bindings had 7.5 Million pounds of thrust! I dont think there are mountains big enough for that kind of turning:nono: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinecure Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 So what is it that we need to redesign? Bindings Boards Inserts Riders Based on the above reference, maybe Pogo is on to something. Where's Sean from Donek to weigh in on this subject? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 duh, skis don't have inserts. Some do. Just not real popular yet. Looks like they are headed that way though. They are pretty thick and less of a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavechaser Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Some do. Just not real popular yet. Looks like they are headed that way though. They are pretty thick and less of a threat. Yeah Jack...DUH!!! :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tim Tuthill Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Dimples??? We tried them in surfboards! Used different sizes?? Did not seem to make much of a diff!! That said, we are looking at liqued as opposed to a solid, sometimes!?? Now, this should start something?? Any hydro mechs out there??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 So more dimples = faster!!!! :D Yes, in fact the solution is not less dimples, but more of them. I've added inserts and bolts (attached to nothing) every 4cm from tip to tail. It is simply a very coarse base structure. No, not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebu Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Well, the reason golf balls work with dimples is because they create air pockets in each one and air against air is alot slicker than golf ball against air. It's hard to get an air pocket under your snowboard. And besides, more dimples means less surface area of course, and less surface area means more pressure, blah blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavechaser Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 So if the Saturn V had dimples - they could have gotten away with only 100 million horsepower??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 High performance extruded polyethylene (PE) base material with Struc Turn. Low maintenance and easy to repair. Most of the time an un-waxed extruded base is faster than an un-waxed sintered base. "Struc Turn" is gaining popularity. Recently sold some Forum boards with it. Many have added it to their boards/ skis. Small dimples, similar to the golf ball. I would guess it is valid. However probably not huge difference. Love to give this structure a go in the summer or late spring when it can make a huge difference with the "High Water" conditions at Timberline. I know that "Structuring" my boards in the past with a rill made a huge difference, certainly allot more than wax did. "Wet Jet" was fun though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Single fins, twin fins, quads/twinzers (four fin) my favorite, five fin surfboards, dimples (as per Dr. Tuthill referferenced), they all work for surfing...different applications and conditions. Love the quad/twinzers they rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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