C5 Golfer Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I have a position open and need a good engineer. Depending on Qualifications I will pay to relocate. Send resume to afleckenstein@ballytech.com. Bally Tech is a Casino gaming company. My division is the Table Game portion as in Blackjack and Baccarat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjvircks Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Do you really need a mechanical engineer? Sounds like a good carpenterwould do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 how about a derivatives trader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted June 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Do you really need a mechanical engineer? Sounds like a good carpenterwould do. Well we do not do much woodworking here. We are into adding technology to a table game. That is to say on a Blackjack game we do not change the way you play it but our cards have invisible barcodes (invisible to the human eye) and our chips have certain codes on them. With that capability coupled with scanners and imagers we monitor and record all types of data on the game being played. We can also spot card counters, illegal cards, track dealer performance and the list goes on and on. So with that we need someone with optical experience followed with stepper motor and mechanism background and familiarity with all type of processes including injection molding, pressure forming to typical machining and sheetmetal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 What's so horrible about card-counters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted June 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 What's so horrible about card-counters? Depends on what side you are on. Plus I did not say card counters were horrible people, I know some really nice ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I should rephrase. On what grounds can casinos kick out card counters? To me it's basically saying "you're too good at this game, so you can't play". They're not cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted June 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I should rephrase. On what grounds can casinos kick out card counters? To me it's basically saying "you're too good at this game, so you can't play". They're not cheating. I do not run a casino or have any say in the matter but to answer your question -- maybe it can be for the same reason a restaurant can refuse service to anyone. Additionally your employment at your company is "at will" which means they can fire you at anytime/ask you to leave. Or a ski resort not allow snowboarders - skiers only. It all about rules you get to make when you own a company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I do not run a casino or have any say in the matter but to answer your question -- maybe it can be for the same reason a restaurant can refuse service to anyone. Additionally your employment at your company is "at will" which means they can fire you at anytime/ask you to leave. Or a ski resort not allow snowboarders - skiers only. It all about rules you get to make when you own a company.Maybe it's different in the US, but here a restaurant can't just refuse service to anyone. They're likely to face some sort of human rights tribunal intent on getting to the bottom of it (typically racism or something else). My company can fire me anytime, but they have to pay me if they do. The ski/snowboard thing gets by because you're not discriminating against the actual person - in the same way, a restaurant can refuse service for improper dress or some such, but not just because they don't like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirror70 Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 we need someone with optical experience followed with stepper motor and mechanism background and familiarity with all type of processes including injection molding, pressure forming to typical machining and sheetmetal. Hmmm.... My last two jobs were at a toy company designing injection molded parts and at a medical device company designing an optical cell sorter. If I weren't already happy where I am, I'd send you my resume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted June 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Hmmm.... My last two jobs were at a toy company designing injection molded parts and at a medical device company designing an optical cell sorter. If I weren't already happy where I am, I'd send you my resume. Do you know Whistler is only 4 hrs away? Looks like there is still 19 groomed runs still open today and Blackcomb is re-opening Jun 9th. Plus where can you snowboard in the morning and golf in the afternoon in January other than the great PNW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 I should rephrase. On what grounds can casinos kick out card counters? To me it's basically saying "you're too good at this game, so you can't play". They're not cheating. I was actually banned from a couple of casinos in Incline Village for counting...and they are VERY serious about that. It is not illegal, but they can refuse entry to just about anybody they want. (They tried to kick me out of the Hyatt casino last time I stayed there...playing single deck blackjack, 4 aces shown on one hand and I commented on it...taught me to keep my mouth shut) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 How do they catch card counters? Just look for the people who win too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 they look for betting patterns. Most people bet the same every hand, unless they are using the doubling system (which is flawed due to table limits). or they increase their bets after a big win... counters bet the minimum (or close to it) for a while until the count gets high enough, then they increase. they always drop down after a shuffle. that is why successful counters work in teams. one guy plays small bets all day long, and signals his partner when the count is high. the partner comes to the table and bets big for several hands, then walks away...assumedly with a profit that more than makes up for the other guy's losses. Look for info on the MIT Blackjack Team online - interesting and amusing story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted June 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Here is our product for BlackJack. http://www.ballytech.com/sds/mp21.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 wow - I could do some real damage with that, if you could get me a real-time feed to the one they use in the high rollers room... :D :D :D :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted June 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 wow - I could do some real damage with that, if you could get me a real-time feed to the one they use in the high rollers room... :D :D :D :D HMMM.. not sure what you mean by damage. We gather the info during play - the same time you as a player have the info. Even if our system was plugged into your computer there is nothing you can do to change the outcome. We read the cards as they are discarded and read only the card as it is dispensed from the shoe -- not before. We have no advance knowlege of any card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 it would make the count easier if you were seated where you couldn't see all the cards...and dealers have gotter pretty fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted June 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 it would make the count easier if you were seated where you couldn't see all the cards...and dealers have gotter pretty fast. Where can you possibly seat or why would you want to seat somewhere where you couldn't see all the cards?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 third base next to a fat guy who leans forward all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 it would make the count easier if you were seated where you couldn't see all the cards...and dealers have gotter pretty fast.Plus if you fed it into a computer, it could count and make decisions in a much more accurate and sophisticated manner than any human counter could, based on the same information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow|3oarder Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Maybe it's different in the US, but here a restaurant can't just refuse service to anyone. They're likely to face some sort of human rights tribunal intent on getting to the bottom of it (typically racism or something else). My company can fire me anytime, but they have to pay me if they do. The ski/snowboard thing gets by because you're not discriminating against the actual person - in the same way, a restaurant can refuse service for improper dress or some such, but not just because they don't like you. For the most part, in the US, if you are not discriminating on the basis of a "suspect class" or a "fundamental right" then you can discriminate all day long. Even if you are discriminating, if you have a reason that meets the proscribed "level of scrutiny" for that discrimination, it will be permitted. (e.g., if you wish be racially discriminatory, like through affirmative action, you need to meet "strict scrutiny," having a compelling reason using a least restrictive alternative.) Generally this only applies to action taken by the government, but the feds and the states can pass laws preventing discrimination of all sorts, applying constitutional norms to private conduct. The law in this area, in my opinion, is really convoluted (because of people making up legal grounds on which to permit these laws). There are federal laws prohibiting racial discrimination in public restaurants and hotels. Nonetheless, for example, discrimination on the basis of race is usually permitted in private clubs (a given state could probably prohibit that by state law, but im not sure.) So...there are laws preventing racial discrimination in restaurants. But there probably arent any laws based on discrimination of wintertime sport preference because noone cares enough to pass legislation to outlaw it (although they probably could, since it is not a suspect class or fundamental right, all the state would need is a "rational basis" (read: any bs reason) to outlaw such discrimination). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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