Joe D

Uhh, which one? (i didn't see a link)

Good for you Alexeyga! Has anybody used Garmont's G-fit liners? They come in a "Mid" 32cm height & a "High" 35 cm height Here's a pic of the High:

man, that's funny! I thought I was going overboard on the SOLD! 's when I edited the post, but aah what te hell... Welcome to Bomber, Jake. If your question was not sarcastic, oh sh*t, sorry! Yeah they're both sold

Welcome to Bomber, Jeff! Thanks for checking out the boots. E-mail sent.

Great study. Most talar fractures are not seen on even quality xrays. Tibiotalar / subtalar chondral injuries are not visible either. CT noncontrast of ankle is minimum to diagnose these injuries, and MRI may also be required to eval extent of cartilage damage.

if you've having a hard time posting pics, use a photo resizer (go to download.com) to bring the file size down to ? 100Kb I think is the limit to upload. Usually if you resample/resize to 640x480 pixels, and then crop it even a tiny bit, the resulting file will be ~ 30 - 60 Kb. I use 11View, but there's better ones. Posting the dimensions is also a plus Huh? I followed the link, but that's for a F2 SpeedCross

Here's a pair of close-up pics of the notch on the 2nd strap, over the instep. The wire bail is folded under the strap in the first shot.

Sorry Kaoru, they are sold. thanks, Joe

Duh. It hadn't even occurrred to me. Both are labeled '10', but I am sure I never bothered to compare the two for any size differences, or even looked at them side-by side. Straight out of the original box, and into the shells to mold. That is the first idea that would actually explain it.

Not in stock in a 28. Concerned that a 27 will be too small. I really cannot ride a 27 - I had surgery of my foot & leg - there is a permanent ~ 2 inch screw thru my R big toe fusing the distal joint. No pressure to tip of big toe, b/c big toe cannot curl or bend even a fraction. (tiny little violin plays for me in background) :rolleyes: This is why I originally went to Intuitions - they have a rep for solving anatomic peculiarities.

OMG skategoat you have no idea how much better that makes me feel. I was really thinking...wtf did I do wrong? As Alexeyga, I had followed the instructions "to the letter" Just so frustrated............. Now I'm looking at ski boot liners with tongues as possible alternatives...

UPZ Thermo liners UK size 9, US size 10. SOLD! $20 SOLD! According to UPZ's website these are heat formable. The two white areas on the medial and lateral ankle have some sort of heat moldable material in them. They apparently will also self- mold over time with body heat. They are not designed to be oven-baked like Thermoflexes. A ski shop that has Salomon Heat Sticks should be able to do these. New, never ridden. These are comfortable liners that nicely fit the Raichle / Deeluxe SB shell. They are softer flexing than standard Raichle liners, and so would do well in a stiff boot that a rider wants to soften a little. Too soft in my SB224's. They are much lighter than standard liners, almost as light as my Intuitions. they're the uppermost liner on the UPZ website: http://www.upz-boots.com/e_innenschuh.html Raichle standard liners, mondo 27.0 SOLD! $20 SOLD! Used, but good condition. A little too snug for me. Liner booster strap. I actually like these liners, and would happily trade for a used mp 27.5 set, although Scott Firestone's AlpineCarving site seems to indicate that the 27.0 and 27.5 are the same. E-mail for full-size pics or any questions. Joe

It might be - but the height is not as big a deal as the sole shrinkage. I took the silver spoilers off the bootbacks, so height is ok. The lower foot portion of the liner doesn't really fit due to loss of length.

All of your suggestions - I did, in that order. I went to an Intuition dealer. Process was done using Intuition-logo-ed gear. BTW if you talk to Intuition they will tell you that that they recommend heat tubes not ovens. The system of heating does not account for the discrepancy b/t the 2 liners. Hey Alexeyga - sorry for the hijack! I hope you're gaining something from the posts too.

Not likely. Liners were both heated on Heat tube system at the same time, both came off at the same time. Seemed to mold fine. Sat for ~30 min with feet in liners in boots. Drove home 30 min, left liners/boots in cool room (60 deg) The buckles were pretty tight, because there just wasn't any extra room. But they were the same tightness on both boots. I agree that the Intuitions stiffen up the boot - I was frustrated with trying to 'fix' the Intuitions so I bought some UPZ liners. But I'm going to re-post the UPZ in the classsifieds b/c they allowed too much forward flex - my SB224's shells are pretty soft plastic - the liner contributes a LOT to the overall boot flex and thus performance. I did not pull up on either one. Maybe should have.I did not use any orthotic or footbed. Crystal had said it was not really necessary, b/c the liner will form to your arch. And there wasn't room for it anyway. I don't think you can see it in the photo, the left also developed a crease on the top of the liner, although I can't feel it on the inside. I put the liner in the boot with the help of the pro, and it was all good when we started. I noticed the crease the following morning. Anyway Dave I truly appreciate your time & thought so far on this. I'm just at a loss for how to make it better. I would love to hear anything you learn from Intuition.

Any advice?

Hey Dave, thanks for jumping in I did not mean my comments to be any kind of a slam on YYZCANUCK - far from it. If it weren't for your info, lots of us would be doing it by trial-and-error, mostly error. And Rob & Crystal likewise have been very helpful, nothing but good stuff to say about them. Mine are plain black exterior, plain black liner. I did mold a slightly shorter grey pair, before this pair. Same results. Overall good molds, but not comfortable. Warm. Heat temps & times were tightly monitored. So despite my best efforts I am still trying to get 'em to an acceptable comfort. I am open to ANY suggestions on that. My past boots have had either fuzzy or velour insides of the liners, over foam, very squishy and cozy on your feet. I was surprised by the 'hardness' (for lack of a better descriptive) of the inside of the liners. I have narrow feet & ankles, and I don't have any room for thicker socks, to up the cushioning. I also don't know how bigger guys manage to get their feet in the liners. My size 10 liners barely fit in the 27.5 shell, even with low-volume feet. I'll post a shot of the liners shortly.

They shrink after you mold them. And they shrink also when they get cold - ie trunk of a car outside in winter. I've done 2 pair now, and noticed same changes... sole length shrinks and overall height is lost: 1-2 cm height on average. But they then fit the shell interior better, and hopefully your foot contours as well. I reason the foam contains gas which is driven off when heated. That's why they swell up when you bake them. As they cool, they contract. If you cool them below room temp ( ie winter temps) the gas in each cell contracts, making them feel tight. from www.intuitionsports.com: "The ULTRALON thermo-forming closed cell foam is designed to be more resistant to heat-related shrinkage and pressure related "packing out" than any other foam in the world. Using this foam in all of our products provides the highest durability and product endurance to our customers." It may be better than other types of foam at resisting heat-related shrinkage, but it's not unaffected by it. And this is why you can only mold them ~6 times. Each time they lose a little gas, and get denser (harder). And the same resistance to packing out, makes them hard to stretch back out when shrunken. If you cook them too hot, they might be ruined. I think the 260 degrees recommended by the yyzcanuck instructions is too much - and increases the amount of shrinkage. My last pair were done professionally with heat tubes (when I spoke directly with Intuition - they unequivocally recommended heat tubes over ovens) and I noticed much less height shrinkage and more sole shrinkage. The tubes get the foot part hottest, and relatively spare the upper cuff. The oven-bake method gets 'em hot all over. But they do stretch a little and pack out when you ride them - it may not be comfortable to ride until they do, but they won't ever be comfortable unless you do ride in them. Damned if you do, and... I did a second mold using the oven on my last pair, but at reduced temp - 220 degrees for 10 minutes. I did not notice any further shrinkage - in fact they felt nicely looser and better-fitting. But I won't really know until I ride again. Now - you might try a shoe-stretcher at a light tension for a couple days at warm room temps to give back a little sole length. Pack a little tissue paper in the toe and heel pockets to spread out the pressure, and avoid packing out the toe or heel areas. Also try wearing the boots at home for a few hours, on different days to get the liners warmed up to body temp, and stretching out where you need more space. Try these things before you go to the next molding, because each bake kind of makes the shrinkage worse. If I do it again for a 3rd pair I would: plan on 2 oven bake sessions, but at lower temps. Once at 220 degrees, wear at home a day, ride a day, bake a second time at 220 degrees. My $.02 JD

Oxygen Spectrum snowboarding boots mondopoint 27.5, roughly mens size 9.5 Worn 6 days, still in excellent condition. Nice liners: toasty warm, and still smells new., no rips, tears, or worn spots, etc. Shell size is mondo 27.0 - 27.5, liner is 27.5 Walk / Ride lever on shell back, with dial to adjust forward lean. Three micro-adjustable buckles, and burly booster strap around shell. No wear to toe or heel pads, scuffs only. Medium flex, great for freeriding or carving corduroy. Lighter overall weight than standard Raichle / Deeluxe boots. Note modification to second strap from toes: used dremel on each boot to cleanly notch the strap, to allow the buckle to drop in flush with the strap. $70

I think bobdea's point makes sense - it's another layer of plastic to stiffen the flex at the rear. All the older SB's I've seen seem to have them. http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=13733 In this pic the 324's /325's have them, can't really tell on the blue pair...

I noticed on the Bomber store that the new Track 225's & 325's don't appear to have the little grey piece that sits at inside of the very upper rear cuff. Which got me thinking... do I really need that little piece, b/c it seems to just take up space at the back of your calf. It unsnaps from a little slot. The xtra ~ 1/2 cm , in height can't do anything for your leverage. Is it just a way to adjust for different upper calf volumes, or is there something else I'm missing? How many Raichle / Deeluxe riders have removed it? Good or bad?

hey oldvolvos, were you at Summit on Friday? the pic link by tilledog looks like the hardbooter with red shells I saw...

Cuore, those bindings look suspiciously like Carriers, the ad says Race plates... Could you clarify this?

Hah, that may be why they're still honoring them. Summit parking lot was packed today, but plenty of room up top. Saw 1 guy on plates as I was traversing over to chair 10, but he cut back towards Miracle Mile. Pretty windy at times but still fun.

seriously, before they merged, I remember different deals from year to year... now it's $62 for tomorrow (Friday) which should be a midweek price but it's considered a 'Holiday' the only deal I saw was called C.O.R.E. and for 1-time $10 discount you fill out a form (a total liability release, specifically including negligence on their part) and give them all your personal information. Fu@& that. SO much for competition in the marketplace... a site called CalAdventures.com has $10 discount coupons for Baldy. I called Brianna in the Business office there, and she said they're still honoring them. Very nice.