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Bryan, I rode today and it was fast and good.

Hi Guys, Last time I rode was Friday and it was busy. I tested a new 4 x4 hole mount attachment for my new plate system. Worked real well.I had to put it on an old 197cm Burner as I had no boards with 4 hole patterns.All my boards have had some sort of plate system for the last 14years ,so no regular binding holes. Hope to ride with you guys soon.

So this is where Portlandia talks about Hood. Never looked at this before.

KIWI 13.cm on ctr across ,the row of outside t-nuts for brackets up and down at 3.cm on ctr. Hangl base plates are mounted by two sets of 3.cm t-nuts at 10.cm apart. As long as you have 3.cm on ctr for brackets you will be OK . This would allow you to even use my hardware.

Hey Seb thanks for the offer on gates and heads up on your dates in El Colorado .Will see how they work out. Best of luck at JW ,that's a big deal to be apart of that event. Being a KIWI myself I am sure you will have a great time with everyone in NZ.

Jack thanks for the thought and inquiry about my Olympic team and Plates, even if it was after someone mentioned Kildy HA!! HA !!. Looks like people think plates are cool now. That's great to see after driving the band wagon by myself for so long it's fun to have company.. Just a little up-date. We are going to be testing all our new plates in Chile this summer so will be ready by next year to build on our World Cup success from last year and the 13 years before that. Klug thinks all the interest is great for the sport and is looking forward to offering access to all our new stash.

Nick,this is funny. I don't post here much, although I find I have a lot of information that would be informative to many, but I am just not prepared for where things end up going. A lot of people don't understand who Matti is and the part he and Louis played in alpine boards. I am not going to respond after this. Just found it fun to see you get some Sh----t. Black shorts rule!!!!

Thanks DiveBomber for making me look at my t-nuts on all my pairs of Physics. Yep over half of them had cracks in them . Thanks.

Hi Bobdea, It looks like some people including Bryan think I use Texalium for some quality other than cosmetics and I don't. I ended up using it as a top sheet because I liked the look . Texalium is actually very difficult to make look good , because the top sheet becomes part of your laminate. I am going to start introducing some plastic graphics and make my life a little easier. It looks like Jack first asked the question about Texalium . I first want to say thanks to Jack for giving me a pass on a comment I made to him. I am still trying to figure out how to act here. Hope this answer's the question .

Jack, You crack me up. I don't know why you make assumptions based on such limited info. and for all your analytical skills you miss so much. The board is three years old; it has a 13m- 16m side cut and has a decambered nose not as extreme as I make today but contact is back of effective edge . The board was made for Anton Pogue, but was way too stiff. The base board is Titanal with a carbon Tinkler Slider Plate. The reason the non-active tail edge looks straight is it has pressure from the highly cambered Snow Stix plate arm. I assure you the active edge is clean and curved. Not too many riders could even flex this beast; it's why the photo is so unique. The conditions are soft fresh groom. Tinks.

Sean, I agree with what you have said. I have seen Thorndike win races by extreme manipulation and reshaping at gates that if he had not the ability he would not have made the gate and not have won. I also agree with Snowman and his understanding from his time on the hill and feel. It is good for riders to hear this talked about; it is a big part of the feel one has for a turn. Tinks.

IF[/b] you wanted to increase the camber of the board, this could be accentuated as well with snowstix attached to the front of the forward HFP and the back of the rear HFP. It is similar to a ski binding tyrolia had a few years ago that allowed you to tension the ski at the waist to increase or decrease camber. A totally tuneable system. later, Dave R. Hi Fin , Looks like you have a fun project going on; or maybe I should say, a Happy Fun Plate project going on. This thread on external suspension systems as you can imagine is something I have played with a lot. In 1991 my external suspension system, SnowStix was the first system to be marketed to the Ski and Snowboard industry. The article that was in the SkiTech Magazine, September 1992 was entitled “SnowStix Delivers External Suspension’’. Since that time all the major ski manufactures have all followed and made some sort of external system. I mention this fact so people know that there was a time when I was the only one talking about suspension and being told damping vibrations and deflections could all be done within the ski or board. The first product I made for racers back in ‘91 pre-4x4, was custom hand cast urethane cants for the Cross M race team. They went under the old Fritch toe and heel mounts. Then later some guys had me make some for the Old Catek Rino Bindings, instead of stacking all the washers with the little rubber on them, all this still pre-4x4. Fin, I love what you are doing bringing everyone along for your project and it is great to not hear any one say there is no need and that boards can do it all. Fin, HFP + SS; the ultimate interactive Super Suspension System. I see some possible attachment points. It sure would be easier than the Snow Stix adapter plate I made last year for the Hangl and Vist Plates. I will attach the photos so you can see how it looks. I will also try to get the photos out of an e-mail Jasey sent me of the Kessler he mounted Snow Stix on. They mount off of the binding plate . I would love to have you send him a HFP + SS all built in and ready to go . His results have been good. The only thing was the binding mount if you could have a built in mount on the HFP that accepted Snow Stix that would be so cool. It would save me having to make a mount adapter. Would love to send you a new set of carbon SnowStix to play with. Think of the possibilities: camber adjustment, tip and tail torsion flex control, adjustable binding suspension , binding to binding torsion control. All done sleek and sophisticated. Would like not to make any more adapter plates for Hangl and Vist just have one nice system that receives Stix. I hope what I have said makes sense and that its taken positively. Still a little gun shy about saying things on BOL. Anyway would love to introduce people to full suspension on an American Plate system. And one suggestion to try on your adapter plate for other bindings, slot the two front anchor points and run p-tex under the interface. Having a hard time sizing the photos .I will send them later. Tinks.

I remember talking to Rebag not to long after Nagano about super G ,he wanted to have a course with high banked turns balls out tour.Only a few canadian takers. I would love to see it,maybe have it BX style run a few guys at once. I am sure it would be exciting to see. Tinks.

Shred you are right; it's about time. I am going to put something together so people interested can look and read about my history and new tech. Yes, I do not have a place riders can go and order except to contact me at my e-mail that is listed in my bomber profile. Shred, please feel free to e-mail anytime and I'll give you my phone number. It's easier for me to talk personally.For specs e-mail is great. Tinks

tb, I was hoping that this thread would die. It has really been something I would like to put aside. Lets leave the thread a lone and contact me off line, but only if I get some free engineering advise. Tinks.

Mr Trash I screwed up. Don't want #165 need #167. Could you fix it. I will tune your edges or wax or something. Tinks.

Thank you very much Mr trash. I was really wasting a lot of time on something I have already wasted a lot of time on. Thanks for just taking care of it. Tinks.

Dave it is about time I have a place that I can put down some history and show all the current designs. Thanks for the push. Tinks.

I want to insert my response to this thread from the Tinkler Rocket man thread. Post #165 and #237 Cant seem to move the quotes over. I cant let this thread not have a response. It keeps coming up and it needs my response added for the record. Tinks.

I remember that board as a Surfpolitix custom with a Tinkler snowstix plate system used in the Canadian Olympic trials at Whistler.

Jack, you finally put a smile on my face. :) I love your bumper sticker quote! Thanks. Tinks

Kildy, you are so delusional and full of crap that I find it hard to dignify some of your statements but I can’t let it go and have riders think for a minute you have any credibility. By attacking me you get to associate yourself with all the good work I have done on researching, developing, proto-typing and riding systems that download the tip and tail. Take the Snow Stix arms off your K2 derby plate and then see how your design is at downloading the tip and tail. I have searched everywhere for a patent in your name as the inventor and no board patents show up. Curiously your tuning device patents show up using your name but NO BOARD PATENT! I hate to rain on your “Oh I have a patent trip”, but you don’t, and you need to stop saying it because it is a lie and a figment of your imagination. So stop making claims about this mythical patent that you can’t substantiate. Like I said before, it is kind of hard to get a patent on something that is already patented. Failure to show this mythical patent means you do not have one. There is a big difference between filing a patent, and having one go through the process of examination and have it issued. That is why you do not have a patent number. You make statements about the Snow Stix and it looks obvious that you have not read the Snow Stix patent that MUD looked up and posted here, or looked at Figure 4B. When you look at my patent you will see that my binding goes over the riser connector plate. You call yourself a designer and can’t even work out how Snow Stix work. You will not admit that you have dual Snow Stix arms attached to a K2 Trimble riser plate. You lie when you say you worked on split tail concepts before me. If you did have one when I showed you my split tip and tail in the hotel room at Mt. Bachelor in 1997 you would have pulled it out of your board bag, or as we can guess you would have said something. You weren’t even thinking of splits before you saw that board let alone using Snow Stix arms to control the splits as you are today. The Tinkler Snow Stix plate you see on the Pokkis board is mounted using the binding. It is the same plate Jasey, Fawcett, Tyler, Sigi Grabner, and many used before Salt Lake. Please don’t claim that too. I still claim I made and rode the first “slit” tail on a modern race board. Fawcett was the first to race on one. The FIS rule was made as a result of the Austrians protesting me and Fawcett at Whistler for using the tails in World Cup. A definition of snowboard was then drafted. Stop copying my concepts and claiming them as your own and move on. I will say again take the dual cambered Snow Stix barring arms that externally slide on the tip and tail OFF the K2 EPB plate that you use and call the Kildy Flex. Please stop making rude, personal, nonsensical attacks. I have enough Kildy the freak stories and comments to attack you with. Please just don’t go there anymore. Stick to the facts. Read the patent. Look at the patent drawings, then tell me I am wrong for thinking I have a legitimate right to use external cambered dampening arms and you don‘t. I work hard at my craft building boards to have you and many others here put me down for trying new things is rather disheartening. For anyone who has enjoyed riding a Burner you have Fawcett and Tinkler to thank. Do you guys really want people like me to stop. I believe I build a very technically advanced board. Note I said BUILD. I guess you guys will always have Kildy’s drawings to ride.

To the guy that wondered why I did not respond to “Kildy flex” right away, it’s because it has taken over a month for me to calm down to respond to “Kildy flex.” If I had responded at the time, it would have been a cage fight; full MMA. Kildy and I have done this before. As MUD said, one can only take so much, and defending one's self online is nearly impossible, but I feel it is necessary to give it a try. I will try really hard to only stick to the facts and not get personal. I need to start from the beginning. In 1993, Mike Kildivauld asked to come over to my house and get a set of carbon Snow Stix for his Burton asy Race board and talk about my adjustable camber concepts. Because he was a Burton team rider at the time and showed an unusual interest in my thoughts and concepts, I had him sign a confidential discloser agreement and he was given a copy. I talked freely about my concepts about externally downloading the tip and tail of boards and skis with various systems to create camber. He was shown everything in my shop and the original Snow Stix set-up Fawcett tested in 1991, which was a Snow Stix arm attached to a riser plate that went under the binding. We talked about all the things in my filed patent. Things like two arms mounted on a riser plate, and a one arm system that could be moved laterally to bias the left and right side of the board to create torsional flex control. He was shown urethane binding cants that I was custom making for the Cross M team. He was shown a lot of concepts. Then I went on to develop my systems and market them. Snow Stix went on to win 16 World Cups, and podium 32 times, and were used by some of the most elite racers in the world. The patent was sold to K2 in 1995. Then in 1997 Kildivauld showed up with 2 cambered Snow Stix arms attached at the tip and tail to a K2 EPB derby plate. The purpose as Kildy describes it is to download the tip and tail! Wow, I wonder where he got that idea!! He combined two patented designs and called it Kildy Flex. Both patents owned by K2; the Snow Stix patent and the Trimble EPB Derby patent. Some of you ex-skiers may remember K2’s Extra Power Booster riser ski plate. It had a fixed mounting point in the center and mounting points at the ends that had slots allowing it to slide toward the tip and tail when flexed. When I told the K2 patent lawyer what Kildivauld was doing, they were not too happy having two patents they owned being infringed by not just a racer, but now a company 24/7. All my Tinkler dual Snow Stix plates K2 had made for me were marked with patent members. If he thinks he has an issued patent on these two designs please show everyone. Never did I see his plate display a patent number. It’s kind of hard to get a patent on something that’s already patented. I had always told Kildivauld just cut my Snow Stix arms off that plate and you become someone else’s problem, but he never did. Even today he shows drawings of dual cambered Snow Stix arms and as he describes, their purpose is to download the tip and tail. Then he uses them on a split tail that runs all the way to the tip. Once again, I wonder where that idea came from? If Mr. Kildvauld can’t find his copy of the discloser contract that lays out what concepts were discussed, I will gladly send him another copy.

This has been very interesting to see unfold. I haven’t had this much sh!t thrown at me since I went to the Zoo and had Chimps lob hot ones, just kidding. I realize that my reluctance to jump into this all led to a lot of speculation. I did not start the thread and was not putting forth the concept as the end all, nor was Pokkis. He was just commenting on his experience riding the design. He is one of the only people here who can truly comment on the design having personally experienced it. My design came about with the desire for an easy, quick turning board. That’s the same reason I made my first “SLIT” tips and tails in 1997. They were single cut slits; something that had never been done on an alpine board before. I had been making and riding my slit tails for over two months before getting a hold of Fawcett in Tahoe. I told him how great I thought it worked, and that he should take a skill saw like I had to make one single cut up the center 15 inches long, dividing the tail in two. I then told him that when he returned I would mount Snow Stix on the splits. This led to Mark making the Sims Burner with the guy from Hexel Skis that had done small swallow tails on skis. As always, my designs incorporated Snow Stix technology to control each split independently with the ability to vary its camber foot print. The same is true for me in the rocker board. It was an opportunity to use my camber systems so I could vary the amount of rocker; something I have done in many other board sports. Adjustable rocker is nothing new to me. I thought that the ability to vary the length of the base contact foot print of the board might be interesting. I could increase or decrease the tip or tail pressure depending on the conditions; soft groom or boiler plate. I knew this would be important to broaden the range of this design. Short and variable base contact length and a long effective edge was my goal. From decades of working with camber foot prints I knew that as I increase camber using my systems, it would make the turn initiation slower and stiffer feeling. So going in the opposite direction would make it feel quick and easy. The worst rides of my life have been on highly cambered stiff boards on a steep narrow run. So my thinking was to go in the opposite direction. I just want to ride like everyone else with an easy quick turning board, and I will experiment with whatever concept I think of to make that happen. You can’t compare my costs to a regular board with mono technology. My boards cost more because they involve three technologies: the base board (with extra t-nuts and internal side walls for the slit tails), the Snow Stix carbon plate (the binding mounted design), and carbon Snow Stix. That’s a lot of work. If builders start to do this type of board with mono construction and especially in metal, I can predict the outcome in which I will not reveal at this time. Snow Stix on this alpine version are very important.

I just want to say a couple of things to the Moderator a go go. This thread started with a guy from Finland stoked about his new board having just gotten off the hill with a good experience and thought he would share. Then it got weird with the Moderator attacking his decision for buying one of my new designs. The Moderator went on to be very rude to me, not knowing my background in rocker and camber boards. I have been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by major manufacturers like K2 and Herb O'Brien Water Skis. I have had design consulting contracts with both of these companies specifically for my knowledge on camber and pressure distribution using external systems. Having worked in the K2 lab, Salomon lab in France, and having testing at Boeing with some of my other external vibration systems, I do not need to be schooled by Mr. Moderator a go go about camber and rocker. My designs are not a joke, they are serious designs respected by many.