SolRosenburg

Wow. The Yenta Coefficient is extremely high with this one. This has to be one of most ignorant things to ever grace this site. The sport is called "Snowboarding", not "Carving". Racers are masters at edge control and can take this skill anywhere on the hill. Ice, steeps, hell even moguls. While I can appreciate the many positive things that this site/company have brought to ALPINE snowboarding, on the flipside, this site has cultivated such an insane mentality where guys that carve intermediate runs are somehow convinced to think that it's the purest form of snowboarding. Newsflash old guys! It's one of the EASIEST skills to learn and to perfect. If steeps scare you and you can't carve them, well, no hard feelings.... you simply haven't honed the skills yet to do this and you are a one-trick, internet pony.

Definitely! Especially about fishing. I hate when people talk about the size of my fish, or my fancy titanal lures.

No fishing today. Spawning is over. The halibut have left the Sound. But wait, i'm confused. You guys have/give warning points? That's super cute. Do you also wear pieces of flair on the mountain?

Sorry but guys like you are exactly why I purposely over-use the term yenta when referring to this site and the silly debates and posturing. - Little Buddy is a nod to my favorite TV show. That' insulting? lol 9 out of 10 is my personal observation of hardbooters that I see. Sorry, but who exactly am i putting down? Again, since i need to restate this.... I'm not trashing every hardbooter or skill levels - but i despise the copious amounts of know-all's here that never venture off of their favorite, perfectly groomed, intermediate run, then run to BOL and chime-in in a chest-thumping fashion about sidecut radius, the best boards, how many people at the mountain marveled at their turns, yada. yada. yada. Btw, I'm not the only one he feels this way. I run into carvers at the mountain ALL the time and this is a very common sentiment when referring to the site. Not the value of the site, or the long-standing support of the sport, more-so the inundation of bloated, know-all's that can't walk the walk. - Using your arm as a crutch while "getting low". Yes, to me, this is an atrocious style and yes that was a slag on one type of riding. I don't like cheating, and I don't like shitty styles. This style is both. I embrace racers, park riders, pow, and big line riders, and even skiers, that have balls, have style, CAN execute, and most importantly don't congregate on sites like this debating who can carve a complete circle better, or what radius will help them make GS turns even though they don't race. - Bragging...Been riding since 85 is a fact, not a brag. If i said "I'm the best rider you've ever seen, better than Peter Baeur and Jean Nerva combined' -- well, that's a brag and that's likely not true. Getting low on corduroy without an arm-crutch is easy. Also, not a brag. Is it really that hard for most? You might be hangin' with the wrong crew if you think that's hard or bragging. Thanks for taking the time to yenta with me, I'm happy to return yenta with you, I think this has been a valuable (for you) discussion.

This guy knows how to post things! This is skeezrules!

Precisely. You use words like "some" and "most". From being a long-term lurker at YOL, I stand by comments and i never said everyone here falls into one bucket. Let's be real though, there's a ton of people overstating their abilities -- oddly, their very own gopro footage is evidence of this. My comments here are about my observations, not my skill. I yenta on the hill, not behind the keyboard.

You make a great point. It's definitely not intended to be a measuring stick or a who's who. Fun is fun, whether you are carving or yenta'ing. My point was I see ALOT of SB bashing by HB'ers here at YOL that can talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. Been riding for a loong time and I love all facets of the sport -- it's hard for me to sit idle and hear rhetoric of what snowboarding or carving 'should be' by riders that are one-dimensional, intermediate trail super-stars.

To me, the conversation is less about equipment and more about skill. Hardboot equipment should be more capable, but many here at YentaOnline, and many hardbooters out there on the hill don't have the skill to even remotely keep up with their equipment potential. From personal experience, 9 out 10 times hardbooters are too worried about 'getting low', or crafting the perfecting line, that they truly haven't developed actual all-mountain riding skills to tackle more advance terrain, steeper lines, chopped conditions. Ripping turns on blue square corduroy is for quakers. Fun? Sure, but a lot of the yenta's here seem to measure their social status by it. Why? Start ripping turns (in control), with style, in ice, getting low, at SPEED down steeper trails -- then you can start claiming, then you have skill, then you're a snowboarder! By no means is this a bash on beginner riders, or riders on the up-and-up.... it's more of a bash of the riders here that have been riding since the 80-90's but can't make a turn for shit on steeps, ice, in race courses, in chopped. The racer style HB'ers can hang on steeps, while the pure-carve yenta's out there tend to literally sideslip down the steeps. Are you not embarrassed by this? Are you the very same guys walking your MTB's down DH trails? :) Clearly if you can rip turns on intermediate runs, but can't on steeps, are you not selling yourself short? The pursuit of the perfect carve should not end on blue runs, underneath tourist-laden chairlifts, or in goofy self-promoting 'on the chairlift' conversations. By no means am I suggesting that HB'ers should be blasting the Palisades at Squaw on their equipment, but by all means you should be able to rip impressive turns down runs steeper than these neutered trails that HB'ers tend to gravitate towards. If you can't -- It's not the equipment, it's you.

Thanks lil Buddy! I agree to agree that you are wrong. Ha! I see the vids. I see LOTS of resting on their arms. Slow speed, high speed, demonstrations, yada yada. I see it, hell there's video proof. Maybe there was something wrong with their gopros that created distorted pixels that make them rest on their arms? could be. Lastly, been riding since 85' at every level except WC's. Getting low on hero corduroy (like these vids) without using my arm as a complete crutch is a non-issue, daily. If that's hard for you to believe i suggest watching that series of vids again, you may have missed something. Maybe you're running the wrong equipment? It's really not that hard or believable. Thanks lil buddy. My maiden voyage here amongst the snowboarding yenta's has been exactly what i expected. It's time to log-off and youtube fishing Tackle. The Long Island Sound halibut are spawning.

You're missing the point little buddy. Arm or hand "down" is completely different than completely resting on your arm or hand. If that's what you are into and you need the crutch, cool! The vids clearly have helped you and that's fantastic!

As a training tool, I think it's questionable. However, i see the riders in that serious of videos regularly doing it and not necessarily part of a "progression" demonstration. In fact, I've yet to see anyone in that series "getting low" without using their arm as a complete crutch. I just think it's their style (so be it), however I view it as a crutch. If the purpose is to get low, and stylie, then you should have the skill to get low and stylie without the need for your arm "crutch" to keep you up and keep you from falling. I know what you are saying about progression, but I've seen enough vids in that series to think it's more than just a demonstration. Show me an example of one of those riders blasting a toeside, getting low, without completely resting on their arm? Their audio states that's not the case, but the videos seem to tell a different story. btw, I'm not stating they can't. It's really not that hard. I just have yet to see it in that series of vids and you would think that's the final stage of true 'progression'.

Agreed. A "bit" of weight on your arm/elbow is quite a bit different than completely resting on your arm/elbow and keeping you up. In the vid above, and in many of the vids on that channel, the rider(s) are using their arm/elbow to keep them up and as a brace/training wheel to allow them to get low.

Definitely robbed! Broke the line and sensors first.

Agree to disagree. Despite what's being said (or taught) in this video, visual evidence shows the arm is a crutch and is most certainly weight bearing... a lot of weight. A quick peruse of other videos on that channel shows the same thing. I can understand putting your hand down as a nod to confidence, feeler, awareness, etc, but in the videos i've viewed they are most certainly using the arm as a crutch, and the arm is bearing a majority of weight. You're telling me in the carves in the 1st 15 seconds of that vid they aren't resting ALOT of weight on their arms? That's full out-rigger mode right there :)

My apologies, i'll try to tip-toe through the tulips next time. I do appreciate you looking out for me though as I embark on this journey and navigate through the sea of snowboarding yentas. In 1/2 seriousness though, I find this teaching method (using arm as a crutch) extremely offensive to the sport and should be banned! It's like taking your new carbon Santa Cruz DH bike equipping it w/ training wheels, then meandering down A-Line and knuckling every jump. Or equipping your boogie board with an outrigger and surf-mount go-pro.....Sure you could do it, but why? With our equipment (soft or hard -- that's what she said!), AND a little skill, there's absolutely NO NEED to be using your arm as a crutch in order to "get low", "extended", "pure", "euro", "yada?" Is it a style thing? is it a lack of skill thing? A beginner thing? I'm confused by this recent phenomena of snowboarders using their appendages as training wheels. #RespektTheCarve #LookMomNoHands