Shred Gruumer Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 US to require urine samples from visitors 7 Jan 2004 by Malcolm Drury Following its implementation of US-VISIT, the US Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology, which uses fingerprinting and photographing of people arriving at US entry points, the Bush administration is to introduce further security measures to screen out unwanted guests, The New York Times has learned. From the beginning of February all visitors arriving by land, sea, air or space will be required to provide an on-the-spot urine sample. The urine will be tested for the presence of characteristic chemicals found in the ingredients of food eaten in countries that are on a "watch list" as potential harbourers of terrorists and liberals. Passengers whose samples test positive for the chemicals will be subjected to detailed scrutiny by immigration officials. Airports, seaports and border crossing points across the US have been instructed to build screened-off donation facilities. However, it is understood that donors will be discreetly monitored to ensure that they give a genuine sample. People who are unable or unwilling to provide a sample upon arrival will be given a container and taken to a holding area with lots of fountains and dripping taps and left there until they perform. Anyone failing to do so within a reasonable amount of time will be handcuffed, blindfolded and sent to Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo Bay for further processing. The new screening programme, called US-Personal Identification Security Strategy, will complement US-VISIT. But, unlike US-VISIT, travellers from countries for which there is no visa requirement to enter the USA will not be exempt from the urine check. Marvin K. Ramsbottom, a spokesman for the US Department of Homeland Security, told our reporter that this was simply in the interests of fairness. He said that unlike some other measures, the testing of urine for indications of the donor having eaten certain foods did not amount to racial profiling. "Quite the contrary," he said, "this means that a person's physical appearance will not be the criterion by which he or she is pulled out for detailed questioning." He added that a special facility was under construction in Waco, Texas, for storing the urine samples. They will be kept until officials have a record of the donor leaving the country, after which they will be destroyed, or returned to the donor if a prior request has been made, he said. A Downing Street spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity, told our reporter that the British government was considering a similar measure as part of its proposed sweeping new emergency powers. "We're well placed to do it, old boy," he said, "we've been extracting the urine from foreigners for years." US to require urine samples from visitors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 I guess I better stop eating bull's balls and cow's brain before SES.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maciek Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 So I guess new program: "US-Personal Identification Security Strategy" is called US-PISS:-) I think they do not need to create this program. Don't worry about those funky programs. I guess Swiss folks are on the list of 27 countries to be exempt from finger printing etc. More seriously... It appears also that loyalty to the USA (see some alies) does not always pay either... if you know what I mean (check out allies in Iraq who gave the most reliable inteligence in Iraq according to US and UK specialists and some special forces... and who gets citizens fingerprinted). Another funny thing is that Brasil decided to fingerprint all US citizens as a "priviledge" for what US authorities decided to do. Just a response. If US authorities really want to detect terrorist then there should not be ANY exceptions. That means that US citizens would also have to be fingerprinted etc. Forging or stealing and modifying US passport is easy task for pros in this world. So any biometrics is worth sh.. if there are exceptions based on piece of paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maciek Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by drzone I guess I better stop eating bull's balls and cow's brain before SES.... I thought that recent investigation concluded that this particular matter was a "gift" from Canada ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vahur Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 If I give urine sample in US, then I'll be litigated here for giving away trade secrets of local beer and vodka making :( Damn, seems like I have to cancel my carving session Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Vahur If I give urine sample in US, then I'll be litigated here for giving away trade secrets of local beer and vodka making As long as the secret of making of KALEV chocolate is safe . . . :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vahur Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 As long as the secret of making of KALEV chocolate is safe . . . Funny that you mentioned it: my office is near former KALEV factory (now they have moved production out of town and rented building to police) and I've inhaled aromas of not only chocolate, but whole production line for years, so it really depends from sensitivity of analysing equipment whether they can reverse-engineer chocolate production receipes or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dahl Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 The current code orange is only another ruse used only for people control. You are right, it is becoming a poor GOVERNMENT. Remember your pledge of allegience? "and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands" ? Ours has morphed from republic to democracy to autocracy to who knows what. These changes may seem subtle on the surface but are critical to understanding what has and is happening. Our current judicial system is taking for itself new and dangerous powers by creating precedents that were unheard of 5-10 years ago. I would comment on the religous aspects of these changes but would probably be banned or laughed off this site, but mark these words, it WILL play into the this in the near future. Enough for now. Have good runs, Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maciek Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Jon Dahl Remember your pledge of allegience? No I don't. I am solely Polish citizen living in the USA for almost 9 years now (legally of course and came legally too). My frustration comes from the fact that this country although much different system, it steers to the similar hell as was in communistic countries (or rather pseudo-communistic what many, including politicians, in this country do not understand since they have not read any single communistic book or at least some digest on works of Marks, Lenin, Engels etc. but they hunt for red witch). I am still hestitant and don't know if I ever will take pledge of allegience for quite a few reasons. The first being I feel and will always feel Polish even though I could criticize my country much more than the USA <A href="http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/14094.htm">(Read this if want to know what I mean)</A> Right now we are at the state of mind when we think about coming back to Europe and perhaps staying in the same business (perhaps even with the same companies). In May of 2004 Poland will become a member of European Union... Go figure. P.S> Even if I decide to take pledge of allegience I will maintain dual citizenship EU/Polish and the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dahl Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 swt, those are ALL applicable right now. Special interests seem to rule the government marketplace (that's not a misquote). The rights of the individual are being lost to the demands of, not the people, but the special interests of the few and powerful. And Maciek, I would never blame you if you didn't take up citizenship in our fine country, even dual citizenship. P.S. I do love my country as it is still the best place to be, at least in my mind, but I refuse to be caught up in this current flag waving craze. My mind will be kept open, my eyes will keep watching, my ears ever listening for the winds of change as they blow over this land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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