SaffainSweden

Ok. Thanks:-) So that's better isn't it?

I have seen Deeluxe boots for sale and some are 325 and some are 325T or 425/425T. What's the difference? What does the "T" stand for? Thanks for any help.

Thanks guys. So they are actually pretty different boards. Hence the price difference I guess;-) Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Anybody have any experience of these boards?

I solved that problem by making sure that I keep my back arm pointing down and parallel to my back leg. That way you get more pressure on your edge.

That was close!! Could've been really bad. I was riding some trees once and wiped out at the bottom of a little steep part. When I sat up only my head was above the lip of the steep. A guy riding behind my tried to jump his board over me and ended up hitting my helmet 1/2 a centimeter (2 inches) from the bottom. A little bit lower and he would have hit the back of my neck. I think I would have been killed or at the very least paralysed for life. He ended up doing a somersault through the foliage. I'll never forget the look of pure horror on his face when he looked back up the hill to see if I was OK. I don't know who was more shaken, him or me. At least I knew before he did that I was OK. We spent the evening buying each other drinks "for the shock". What's the closest you've ever come to hitting someone or even worse being killed by someone else?

It looks like this guy relies more on the flex of his board to get him in to the turn. This is what I originally - and to some extent still do - thought of as the main difference betwen EC and "Bomber". The way I understood it was EC uses the body and legs to create the turn but Bomber uses pressure on the board to cause flex and thus turn. I must say the vid looks a pretty functional and fun way of riding. His body position reminds me of skiing.

SaffainSweden, here is a question for you: Do you think it would be helpful if the Bomber web site had tech articles on both (or more) techniques? Absolutely! Especially for those of us stuck in a hard-boot/carving wasteland. As many guys have already stated in this and other threads, knowing and switching between techniques is a desired skill many riders aspire to. In addition, Bomber bindings are used on boards designed specifically for many different techniques, but only one technique is represented on this web site. Would this information help a new rider or is it just not necessary? I think all information helps. Sometimes I have read an article and not really understood it until I have been on the slope and then it clicks. Thank you for your thoughts. - Thank you guys for all the info!! Rob

Those resorts are 600+km from me! Looks like I'm on my own up here. It's cool not everyone gets to learn from an instructor.

I live in the north so I mainly go to Tärnaby/Hemavan and Kittelfjäll when I go to the mountains otherwise I ride the small local hills around Västerbotten. I've actually never seen anybody hard booting in my years of living here but I did get to try out a friend's who used to race in the 90's racing board and boots once which was cool and scary. The boots were too big for me and I'm sure the board was way beyond my capabilities but it still felt pretty cool. I would definitely like to try hard booting more but no-one sells or demos the equipment here. I even phoned around a lot of the resorts to see if they offered HB lessons and they had no idea what I was talking about. So I finally resorted to buying an F2 Eliminator which has been super fun and a huge boost to my carving.

Thanks for all the answers it is all a bit clearer now. I was actually wondering whether one of the styles had a racing heritage and now I know! It's also useful to know that the different styles have actual practical applications in different situations. I didn't have anyone to each me when I started 10 years ago and had to take what I knew from surfing and skateboarding and see what worked and what didn't. Also finding this forum a couple of years back made a huge difference to my riding and understanding of what I was naturally doing and how a snowboard actually works. So thanks for that all you old regulars. I've got m brother coming for a visit in a few weeks and would like to impart some knowledge to him. So if you were going to teach someone to snowboard with the aim of getting them to carve which style do you think would be the best to introduce them to first? The rotation or counter rotation method?

Yes I fully get what you are saying. My brother rips almost every type of surf on a little 5'9" fish which is a board that most people only ride on small sloppy stuff. i used to think he was crazy until I tried riding it and discovered that it is a very versatile board. But I also see that with our sports it's more of an equation like board+rider+conditions+attitude=style. "Fully laid turns in ECing: yes, mostly it has to do with fully laid turns, has to do with rotational technique combined with other techniques like push and pull for instance. But there are other techniques as well you can do the Ecing ride type of style." Thanks for explaining that, Hans. So EC is (basically) push-pull plus rotation to create laid out turns? Is that right? I guess you ride EC style? What does Bomber style entail then? Or are they pretty much the same except for the laid out turns?

I noticed that there has been a bit of debate (like in this thread for example: http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?39382-Swoard-EC-advice-feedback) about the suitability of different types of boards for different styles of riding. Something that keeps coming up is "Bomber style" and "EC style". When I check out the videos it seems to me that EC style has laid down turns. Is that the difference? Or is there more to it? I came to snowboarding from a surfing background so I completely understand how different types of equipment can be more suited to or promote different styles riding and conditions. Is that the case in snowboarding too? -15c here today, sunny and nice = perfect for the slopes:-)

Oh yes. I'll second that. The Fish rocks in slush. Gotta get the waxing right though.

By the way, how long is that board? It looks sick.

Exactly. They really do look like the sh!t!! I am amping to try them. QUOTE=Futahaguro;370620]Like this?:)

I meant these: http://bomberonline.3dcartstores.com/Power-Plate-System-_p_181.html They'd work with soft boots and a BX board right? @Kinpa: Yes I'll do that for sure.

Thanks so much for all the information guys. It really has cleared up all my questions and now I can continue my progress to hard booting with a clearer idea of how to go about it. Just to sum up to make sure I've got it right: (1) Hard boots plus BX board (like an F2 Eliminator) = Yes, can do. (2) Hard boots for snowboard on slalom skis = No - get dedicated boots for both. Also I could think about riding with soft boots and plates until I get a full Alpine set up. Great forum and great help. Thanks again!

Thanks for your reply. Cool so it is possible. That's awesome then I can start by getting hard boots and as I save money eventually get a dedicated alpine board. I do ride a Burton Fish 160 in the powder and I love it. But for those days when it's a lot of slope riding with a little bit of sneaky powder on the side I reckon another board is better. The Fish doesn't seem to carve as well as my other board - An Extrem Justice 160 (A Swedish board). Maybe it's because of the amount of taper in the Fish. Anyway so my next step would be to get hard boots and hard boot bindings and set them up on my 80% groomers/20% pow board. Do you know if I can use snowboard hard boots to ride slalom skis?

Hi everyone, I'm a long time lurker-first time poster who loves carving on my softboot setup. I also love riding powder. I've been snowboarding since I moved to Sweden from South africa 11 years ago. I have surfed my whole life but I reckon snowboarding is the board sport I love the most. Nothing beats the feeling of speed and g-forces you get when bombing down a slope pulling g's. And riding powder is as good as surfing a super glassy 6ft day at your favourite point break any day. Anyway after reading lots and lots of posts on the forum and all of the articles on the website I still have a couple of questions. I want to upgrade my equipment to get an even more carving orientated board that still works when I go heli skiing and riding the forests. The slopes I ride here are not as nice and wide as the ones I see you guys carving the guts out of in your videos so I have decided that a BX board is probably the best thing for me. I got to ride an F2 Eliminator 165 for a few days 2 years back and I still dream about those days. I got to ride freshly groomed corduroy, powder in the birch forests and nice big open glory powder heli ski slopes and I have never felt more in control or gone faster, steeper or carved harder. So that is the board I reckon I'll be getting to take my carving to the next level. I think in the future I will get an alpine board and hard boot set up. But until then I am wondering would it be possible for me to first get hard boots and ride them on the F2 Eliminator? The other question I have is: Can you use snowboarding hard boots with slalom skis? When I ride with my kid I like to sometimes ride slalom and if I could use hard boots for both snowboarding and skiing that would be great! Thanks for any advice.:)