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This is true, I agree. We used t have a saying in the symphony "there is always room for cello". It is actually true. In the video of the original three tenors concert at calla calla you can see the main cello section in the normal place front and to the right of the conductor. But, then there is another whole group of cellos in the middle near the second violin section. You can bet your last dollar they are not plying cello parts. Then there is an album called Latin Cello. It is a cello only orchestra. Interestingly enough some of the cuts are from hector Villa Lobos' tribute to Bach, which he as a cellist originally wrote for all cello symphony. LOL Long ago I made the move from concert performer to violin and cello maker. http://www.thefiddlefixer.com Don't give up playing just find a private mentor and take the bassoon to metal or blues or whatever on your own. GWS:D

Hmmmm:lol: As someone who studied cello for 14 years I am familiar with the bassoon. In HS playing as a "ringer" for concerts in many smaller area symphonies in CT and Western MA I often would be asked to play the bassoon part as they did not have a qualified bassoonist. Interestingly, the bassoon and the cello are two of the three instruments in the symphony that play in all four clefs. They play in bass, tenor, alto, and treble clefs. Some heavy metal was really good but 90% was, as has been suggested, just a lot of noise. Apocalytica is a Finnish classical cello heavy metal group playing both heavy metal covers and originals, and classical trios. So A study of their works would yield adequate startup fodder for heavy metal Bassoon. On the other had if you are just being funny and said it as something that would sound ludicrous, once again Truth is stranger that fiction.:D GWS

Photodad, that clip reminds me of the German album from the early sevnties called Autobahn. personally I will stick to my collection of Apocalyptica. GWS:D

Most folks probably have no idea where whitinsville is. But if your family names run to Sweet, Kenyon, Humes, Chase, and Vass you can go to whitey, douglas e.douglas and more and find all kinds of ancestors in the cemetaries. My Great grandfather and then my grandmother donated most of the land for the big one out on the west side of e. douglas. even though non of us live there know it is still the family seat and home of the family burial plots. I remember many good times at 50 main st e. douglas and other family abodes In the vicinity. Nice country. My dad;s cousin ran the River Bend Farm milk production business for years. If you go back that far. CHAse Hume Kenyon aka Grandfather Wolf Not trying to thread jack but you left no contact on your profile:biggthump

Ok, I have been saving this one for Car and Driver magazine for over 30 years. here goes....... 'cause you are "family" of all of us who are the bad influence uncle or aunt that each family talks about and brags about but does not want their child to be influenced by.!!!!!!!!!! Back In 1968 I was stopped in Avon CT By a brand new CT state trooper for going 35 on my Peugeot 21 speed in a 25 zone. Went to court and this is the only time i have ever not been able to beat a speeding ticket. Fine of $25 suspended on promise of good behavior and teaching two saturdays clinics on proper bicycle riding. THis guy was named tony and since he was from the next town Canton CT (home coming rivals they had not won in fifteen years)he had a thing against all Simsbury people. he had made it his thing to harrass everyone from Simsbury Where ever they went in the Farmington Valley especially route 44 US hi-way. In the east 44 is almost as famous as route 66 out west. (Providence RI to Albany NY and beyond) After that he had pulled over and given my friend's older brother, an already successful stock car and SCCA race driver at 21, one more BS Ticket. So My friend Ralph and I had always dated senior girls since we were freshman............ so Ralph and i went up over the border to NY and brought home two pony kegs on the factory option roof rack of dads 57 VW . We were already such regulars they did not even ask for a deposit on the kegs. It was so obvious in the entire 45 minute trip no cop took note and we never got stopped. next day with the help of the auto shop teacher, and one of the history teachers we had a keg party in th third floor boys lavatory in the HS. While there we got to talking about the ******* newbie state trooper. Ralph and I took the kegs back to NY and lo and behold next to the bar was a blown engine sunbeam alpine for sale cheap. Engine already removed, from the now empty engine compartment. So Ralph bought it as it was the same color as brother Kurt's Sunbeam tiger everyday car. ( we planned to drop his dad's spare 327 stock car engine into it.) So that night Ralph and I went to Hartford,CT to the Foreign Auto junkyard midnight five finger discount store and found a tiger to strip. we changed all the trim and badges on the Ralph's alpine to tiger badges. Then we got five of us and had Kurt drive up RT 44 west. The trooper and his trainer pulled out after us in Canton CT Kurt played with them till the old bridge in New Hartford to the reservoir. When we got near the park lot next to the road to the SKi Sundown ski area we pulled away from the cruiser and then pulled in , Kurt shut the lights off and Ralph took over and drove the tiger up the road to the snow cat shed. we waited till the cruiser came around the corner and flashed the alpine's Lights to show the plate ( we had towed it up earlier in the day and put the front plate off of Kurts car on the back of Ralph's car) . The cruiser pulled in and and the a-hole rookie got out and came over and demanded to know who was driving. this went on for five minutes at least,.. Kurt finally said I promised so I can't tell you..... but I can show you...... so he pops the hood and Ralph is under the car in the empty engine compartment hanging by his hands from the engine mounts huffing and puffing from having run back down the hill. The senior training officer told the rookie "You have been had big time" get in the cruiser. And then they just left ....but we had no more harrassment from the staties for many years in the Farmington Valley. EWD:lol: \ Ps real story always better than fiction.....We towed the alpine back from NY state behind my 62 Studebaker Hawk with a trailer hitch and twin Paxton blowers and about 600 BHP Killer car..........

I can Identify with that after my 73 NAVY back injury caught up with me this winter. moved me to serious level VA dissability and ended my 42 years teaching on the mountain career. I am going to Bowen therapy and hope to be able to go out and ski and carve board at least a few hours at a time by next winter. I used to be into sailing big time and had my own sailing school in Winsted, CT 32 years ago. My favorite boat even after racing Fastnet in England was the Hampton one Design or HOD. 18 ft. long 5ft. 10 in. wide 6 inch draft with the board up and 3.5 ft down. Rigged for skipper and crew, crew on trapeze wire (I use to run with both of us on trapeze) rigged weight 500LBS with a 26 &1/2 ft mast carrying 190 sq ft of sail. Who Hah!!!!! natural born Hobie Killer for real Now I content myself with my life long passion for motor speed on the water. Here are some pics The G3 is 13ft 7 inches and without motor weighs 360 lbs. have known guys to put 150 hp on them. the shark mouth one is the one I had. radared at 58 mph with the 70 hp merc. the other is a 115 merc on a friends boat. CAnt upload the pics I keep getting file too large. can some one tell me where to put them so I can post a link. G3s are wicked fun they go airborn on the wake of a canoe with a 2 hp motor. Yes they have so much lift once on a plane you can kick all they way back to 17.5 mph and they will stay up. THen there is the 1946Gar wood 16 footer I am restoring for show. with the 95 hp chrysler six she was good for 45 mph, factory guaranteed. after a year on the show circuit she gets a shingled step hydro bottom and an XKE 265hp tripple carb six marine conversion. THat should be good for at least 70 mph. the Invader, The blue deep V. was fun but I needed money and she only could do 45 mph , but was a great wake boarding boat. I hope I can get the back up to wake boarding again. last but not least is my dream boat The 1960 Shepherd 24 ft with twin Chrysler 300 letter series motors. I had a chance to buy the same model boat as a 1956 or 7 with twin hemis from a distant cousin of my dads in 74 but blew it over meeting my future and still wife. The firecracker has twin 413 375 hp cross ram dual 4bbls (and underrated at that for the 300 J car) . It probably has close to 1000 lbft of torque alnog with the rated 750 hp. This is a 24 ft boat that only weighs about 3900 lbs all up. yeah another 75 mph "woodie" I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 Have to warn you though if you want to try serious speed on the water get training from someone. I was racing at age 10 so.... EWD help me post the pics someone.

Well I run 225 Lbs in skivies and my Arbor Woodie finally started to loose its pop this winter. It's a 166 regular width and until this winter even with four full time seasons it carved as well even on blue ice let alone courderoy as the Burton FP with hard boots it replaced as my teach board. If he doesn't like fairly high angles then find a woodie wide. However it will not be as fast edge to edge. Arbor woodies are famous in many circles for their carving ability. With my SIS boots and bindings the winter I was without a hard boot board while teaching full time I wore out two sets of DaBone gloves from laying way over carves so the board can really do it. Not really a forgiving beginner board but he can grow into it. GWS:biggthump

you wrote: It was hell back in the day trying to teach people to pressure the INSIDE and outside ski together back on the straight skis because you had to be such a strong skier to decamber the inside ski to get the sidecut to work. ahhhh.....memories To really be two footed and use each ski independently you had to learn to crossover while skiing on one ski. then all you had to do was have the GUTS to fall violently down the fall line and drag the skis along for the ride. LOL I remember every weekend day in the 80s and first half of the 90s going out with the fellow instructors at the end of the day to teach a Carving Clinic. Trying to get then to stay low cross the skis uphill under them was a nightmare. Most of them were skiing the latest stiffest "race" boots, not realizing most top racers were on old flexible boots painted to look like the newest boots. THen there was the problem as you hinted of them not have the strength or aggressiveness to push the skis uphill as they fell down the mountain. I was running the original K2 Extremes at the time and they could not understand the reason I could ski carved turns on blue ice was that i was doing push pull turns that allowed me to load the skis before the fall line use the centripital force to load them in the fall line and get low and absorb excess pressure at the end of the turn. (Same as carve board so learning hard boot boarding was easy for me.) Constant pressure round ribbon candy turns. They would all complain about the ice. But they all were still loading their skis only at the end of the turn as they came out of the fall line. LOL haya buddy. good deal any way you want get down the MT is okay with me. I've taught barrel staves, teleboard, tobaggan, snurfer, jack skis, saucers with alluminum direction rails riveted on the bottom, and more including dads wood and canvas old town canoe in powder. GWS:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hi Carvedog you posted: I didn't know about Chase's kids back ground and the whole pushing off the inside ski. I just want to make sure you have the sequence right I have read Harb and agree with 98% of his system. Funny thing is I developed an almost identical system from working the first 30 of 42 years of teaching as mostly a children's instructor/supervisor. What happened is my state of the art robotics engineering career had a two year hiatus due the the revoking of the IRS corporate research credits for companies. So in 1983,4 ,5 this gave me a few full time seasons. This gave me two years full time at the mountain with my kids and the little buddy kids. When the other full time instructors, mostly moms with kids the same age saw my two riding the lift they started bring theirs in too. So every day during the week I had about four hours a day with 3 to 8 2,3,4,&5 years olds. All pre-schoolers. Started watching them play tag in just boots and then tried to get them to move the same way on the skis. In the early stages it is a cross over turn. Just like the hallway you push off on the back foot as you move/lead with the right or left directional foot. Harb's website has some fairly good similar pictures. The only real big difference is instead of a non touching "phantom" move I have them actually have pressure on the initiation ski. Say you or the child are finishing a right turn. The weight is on the out side or left ski. ( actually I try to never have students with shaped skis go beyond 60/40% balance). Assuming the turn has been finished back up the hill far enough for speed control of course. Remember we are trying make all moves DYNAMIC while discouraging static body positions. 1: The weight is balanced onto both skis for a moment we are now balanced equally on both uphill edges. ( have them count out loud). have them shout "one get ready" 2: Look to the fall line where you want to go and move left ski forwards towards where you want to go ie: the fall line step forward with it. (have them slither foot to sneak up on the turn - fool the skis into going where we want them to (kids love the idea of fooling the skis as at their age the skis are real entities that can make them fall and such) and shout " two lets turn" This automatically (action/ re-action) causes a momentary push off from the up hill ski and a cross over to get ahead of the skis move the body's center of mass more down hill from them. (great crossover technique form from the beginner level). THis automatically puts the new outside ski which is up hill from you on the down hill soon to be inside edge. 3: Stomp on the now outside ski as you slither foot it to catch up to the left or inside ski. have them Think be the boss order the slow ski to catch up and push on it. have them shout "stomp 3" 4: have them get low and push on the front of the boots just like a video game joystick in In order to go forward/ faster. this will realign their skis in semi parallel form and keep pressure on the edges to finish the turn. Have them shout " four and goooooooooooo" Go for balance two footed (independent foot action) pressure on the skis except for push offs. With balance two footed Independent skiing from the start they will never have problems with powder or moguls. Do this while getting them to make Christmas ribbon candy tracks on the trail where the end of a turn and the start of the next is always back up the hill a ways from the bottom of the turns arc. Buy some Christmas ribbon candy to give them as an example of the turns shape. It will promote rythm In their turns. Have them practice for turn shape and judge each other on form and shape and how far back up the hill they can carry the turn and still have momentum to start then next one. No speed. Have treats to give out based on each runs self judging (l like the fruit creatures like fruit rollups in a bag) then as you gradually speed them up using terrain they will start to count 1234. When you take them to expert black diamond terrain all you have to do is say "1234", and they will be able to finish their turns and stay in control. Hope this helps some more buddy. GWS Yes I do ski that way. Always divergent and almost never have the skis on quite parallel courses. I tell people Nah , I don't ski parallel Don't believe in it! Then they find out I am the mogul instructor. LOL On Christmas day son Sam was up and we were on Exhibition trail under the six pack lift. I was Walking down the mountain In a speed skaters low position shoulders level just making push pull ribbon candy turns the width of the trail. Same as on the carve board. Some racers were skiing strait down and could not catch me because of all the acceleration i was generating out of the the tails of the OMECarve 10's at the end of each turn. Sam said enough dad, I am beat for the day, you just make it look too easy. :lol: It is..................

Hi Carvedog you posted: I didn't know about Chase's kids back ground and the whole pushing off the inside ski. I just want to make sure you have the sequence right I have read Harb and agree with 98% of his system. Funny thing is I developed an almost identical system from working the first 30 of 42 years of teaching as mostly a children's instructor/supervisor. What happened is my state of the art robotics engineering career had a two year hiatus due the the revoking of the IRS corporate research credits for companies. So in 1983,4 ,5 this gave me a few full time seasons. This gave me two years full time at the mountain with my kids and the little buddy kids. When the other full time instructors, mostly moms with kids the same age saw my two riding the lift they started bring theirs in too. So every day during the week I had about four hours a day with 3 to 8 2,3,4,&5 years olds. All pre-schoolers. Started watching them play tag in just boots and then tried to get them to move the same way on the skis. In the early stages it is a cross over turn. Just like the hallway you push off on the back foot as you move/lead with the right or left directional foot. Harb's website has some fairly good similar pictures. The only real big difference is instead of a non touching "phantom" move I have them actually have pressure on the initiation ski. Say you or the child are finishing a right turn. The weight is on the out side or left ski. ( actually I try to never have students with shaped skis go beyond 60/40% balance). Assuming the turn has been finished back up the hill far enough for speed control of course. Remember we are trying make all moves DYNAMIC while discouraging static body positions. 1: The weight is balanced onto both skis for a moment we are now balanced equally on both uphill edges. ( have them count out loud). have them shout "one get ready" 2: Look to the fall line where you want to go and move left ski forwards towards where you want to go ie: the fall line step forward with it. (have them slither foot to sneak up on the turn - fool the skis into going where we want them to (kids love the idea of fooling the skis as at their age the skis are real entities that can make them fall and such) and shout " two lets turn" This automatically (action/ re-action) causes a momentary push off from the up hill ski and a cross over to get ahead of the skis move the body's center of mass more down hill from them. (great crossover technique form from the beginner level). THis automatically puts the new outside ski which is up hill from you on the down hill soon to be inside edge. 3: Stomp on the now outside ski as you slither foot it to catch up to the left or inside ski. have them Think be the boss order the slow ski to catch up and push on it. have them shout "stomp 3" 4: have them get low and push on the front of the boots just like a video game joystick in In order to go forward/ faster. this will realign their skis in semi parallel form and keep pressure on the edges to finish the turn. Have them shout " four and goooooooooooo" Go for balance two footed (independent foot action) pressure on the skis except for push offs. With balance two footed Independent skiing from the start they will never have problems with powder or moguls. Do this while getting them to make Christmas ribbon candy tracks on the trail where the end of a turn and the start of the next is always back up the hill a ways from the bottom of the turns arc. Buy some Christmas ribbon candy to give them as an example of the turns shape. It will promote rythm In their turns. Have them practice for turn shape and judge each other on form and shape and how far back up the hill they can carry the turn and still have momentum to start then next one. No speed. Have treats to give out based on each runs self judging (l like the fruit creatures like fruit rollups in a bag) then as you gradually speed them up using terrain they will start to count 1234. When you take them to expert black diamond terrain all you have to do is say "1234", and they will be able to finish their turns and stay in control. Hope this helps some more buddy. GWS Yes I do ski that way. Always divergent and almost never have the skis on quite parallel courses. I tell people Nah , I don't ski parallel Don't believe in it! Then they find out I am the mogul instructor. LOL On Christmas day son Sam was up and we were on Exhibition trail under the six pack lift. I was Walking down the mountain In a speed skaters low position shoulders level just making push pull ribbon candy turns the width of the trail. Same as on the carve board. Some racers were skiing strait down and could not catch me because of all the acceleration i was generating out of the the tails of the OMECarve 10's at the end of each turn. Sam said enough dad, I am beat for the day, you just make it look too easy. :lol: It is..................

snowballs with lunch trays. have them ski a run they are comfortable on with a tray loaded with snowballs. If they make it to the bottom with any of them still on the tray they get to throw them at the instructor. Great to get them in good body position and to stop looking down to check if their feet are "doing " it right. GWS I'll see if I can find my loose leaf binders and send you some more games.

Howdy, As one with 11 years as a Ski Wee supervisor I might be able to help. I am thinking here of over 150 hours of clinics and such on the subject of teaching kids to ski.......So it is not something that can be put in a single email.:lol: But I'll do the best I can and you can call me on the land line if you want to. One of the most important things is that they have boots that they can flex forward in. Even in the old days I had to take the boots for kids and modify (cut and slice) the front cuffs and such to get flex the kids could handle. exercises in house to build up muscles are good also. Now with todays shaped skis for kids things have gotten a lot easier. I teach a lot of upper level (well till the back shut me down this mid winter anyway) level five and 6 snowboard and level 8 and 9 ski lessons. My 25 year old method for teaching children is how I developed my methods for for fixing adult skiers stuck in an upper intermediate/lower expert rut. So let me set the playing ground with some background info. If you already have this I apologize.....mostly to get my thoughts in order for you. Walking is something we all do. Sometimes we walk in a rush. Sometimes we run. It is a dynamic motion set. Visualize a hallway that "T" s into another hallway. If you want to turn right you move into the new hallway and step to the right with your right foot, Yes? If left turn step into the new hallway far enough and step left with your left foot. Skiing is the same, NATURAL! In anything over the beginner level stepping or in this case sliding your soon to be "inside " ski in the direction of choice sets a sequence of action and re-action going. For the technically inclined this is the classic "diverging" parallel turn initiation. Now we add shaped skis and just like us aggressive ex Nastar Pace setters on strait skis what we did works for everyone. The minute you make that move with the "inside" ski You have used your body mass and center of mass to bend the boot of the outside ski. It will now carve and catch up to the turn of the inside one as you start to load it up evenly with the inside ski as to pressure. This is two footed skiing. just like the top racers then and now. So your skis and feet never make a parallel turn but with a pair of shaped skis especially super carvers like 173s with a 12 or 13 meter side cut radius you actually leave carved parallel ruts on the trail. Take it one step further. Now as you get more and more aggressive and stay lower (tennis or racket ball front line ready position) You stay low and start to move the skis under you. This is classic cross under turns. you actually are pushing the skis uphill from you as you start the new turn at 90 degrees to the fall line. Just like push pull snow board carving. It makes the whole turn have the same pressure on the edge all the way through. NOW BACK TO THE KIDS!!!!!! Games like fox and hounds, duck duck goose, on the flats gets them moving like the first hallway examples. Now get them on shaped skis (we did it on straits but the shaped kids skis are a big improvement). One of the games they always liked best was "Bonker Tag" Old long gym or boot socks with a few other socks stuffed down in the toe. One point for each "but bonk" on each other while skiing down the run and five points for an instructor bonk. :lol: You will be amazed at how fast they forget what they are doing and start making diverging aggressive turn initiations. Then you add skating. I always even today with children learning to ski .......first day beginners.....teach them how to skate. Skate skate skate!!!! Then semi parallel foot steering just like snow board beginning J turns. I never teach the wedge or even worse snow plow (on outside edges with skis automatically crossing each other). The only wedge I teach is when we learn how to ride the lift. If you are sliding into someone use your feet like you are going to skate backwards. Now back to on the trail, use the skating concept and have them skate IE: Walk down the MT . They will start making more and more aggressive divergent turn initiations. If the kids can run and chase each other In the yard or house........what we have done is to transfer that dynamic already learned movement pattern to the mountain environment. We have removed the static positions (Wedge, locked parallel, and so on) that they do not have the muscle power and or control to hold and ski at the same time. When I ran the Ski Wee program at the late , and lamented King Ridge we were booked by credit card for our cut off of 150 children usually by Thursday night. We usually only had 20 or so kids on the beginner hill. The rest of them were all over the MT doing freestyle moves and synchronized demos/soft competition in teams of 30 or more. Both of my kids, son born on Christmas Eve and the next year she was born on New Year Eve. They both were skiing on the carpet in the house from September to Dec at just before second birthday. With in a week after their second birthdays both of them were skiing the beginner area and riding the J bar lift on their own. They and a bunch of same age friends were skiing the whole mountain Parallel (so to speak) by the end of the season at age 3. It does work. You can reach me at 603 938 5282 or cell 603 748 9062 Whew this is the longest post I have made anywhere in at least six months. LOL Hope this helps and fell free to call. Grandfather Wolf Singing Aka: Chase Kenyon one of the original Ski Wee supers.

A buyer for this 5 bedroom house in ski country New Hampster (Selling real cheap) have my back get under control so I can ride next year. Finish building my chainsaw powered autocross street luge have the back let me finish the conversion on this 40ft LeMirage that would be enough GWS

skis, boards, all get the same treatment. light oil mist on moving parts of the bindings. and then wax the whole thing top and bottom with Butcher's Bowling Alley Wax. let it dry for 10 minutes and buff with soft dry cloth. Come to think of it since I found this trick from an 80 year old ex ski instructor/cabinet maker, that is my normal every other day winter wax system too. In good snow you can go for 5 days. In crusty cut your hands spring ice crystals wax every day. Fast and easy. GWS

On hard boots I ride home grown modified built from used parts collection of burton parts and pieces. LOL Had a collection of burton parts and then EZE gave me his old collection of burton parts. So cheap is the word here.:lol: On softies I love the alpine version of the Emory/Rossi/OSin SIS step ins with the monster high backs that you can crank around 15 more degrees than your plates. Works real nice on the arbor woodie and even on the old teaching board for semi hard boot level carving. GWS

I have been a state of the art energy conservation and robotics engineer. I have taught electronics, history, math, science, cabinet making violinmaking and boat building at a technical college. I am a fifth generation violin maker and also build and restore acoustic Guitars. Factory authorized Ovation Guitar warrantee repairman also. Since Bill Kaman, who I grew up with, retired from Kaman Music there is no one who has been working on Ovation Guitars longer than I have ........since before public sales started. The thing I am most proud of I my 42 years, yep since 1965 of professional snow sports teaching and coaching. Certified ski instructor in the 60's and teaching snowboard since 1985 and certified snow board instructor as soon as AASI became a reality. NOW I AM JUST AN OLD NAVY GUY LIVING ON DISABILITY FROM MY NAVY BACK INJURY IN 1973. I try to work in the violin shop when I can and hope to build some classical guitars and at least one more cello. Oh forgot to mention 14 years of cello lessons at Hartt College of music as a concert cellist. I used to play as a "ringer" on concert nights for small symphonies all over CT. I also still have two Antique speedboats left that are part way through "restoration". I've restored over 30 antique wooden boats and five antique fiberglass boats. have built five new wooden boats so i guess i am a boat builder also. Had to stop teaching snow board this winter since some mornings it takes hours to get moving:( and hope next year I can get at least a few good back days where by 11:00 AM or so I can be mobile and upright enough to get some runs on my carving board.

Long ago when I was a kid (teenager) we cleared out the basement just a couple of years before dad "improved" it. Mega Cape 36 by 50 ft. had an oval race track . we used quad skates that we modified and had some of the first phenolic skateboard wheels on. we would race around and around In form like speed skaters with full foot crossover turns. We got up to some ridiculous speeds considering the concrete walls. With the skateboard type trucks you could really lay into the skate for turns. I googled inline skates and then they had a mention of quad skates. Not having any experience with inline skates I have to ask if they are as control/turnable as a skate with a elastomer pad truck like my longboard? ( geez i wish I hadn't sold my 11.5 inch trucks last summer at our yard sale (street luge parts)) Just asking as I see there are some quads designed for outdoor use. It seems that the quads might be more like real skiing and snowboarding (for both (except for the custom shop rossi vas 173 GS) I tend to super carvers with a tight sidecut. So just thinking out loud here and asking before I spend any of my disability check on gear. and thanks for the help in advance gws I have been told I am the crazyest 57 year old bad influence "uncle" around LOL :rolleyes:

http://inlineskating.about.com/ gws :o

just found this thought I'd share http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/05/europe/EU-GEN-OLY-Olympic-Torch-Paris.php GWS

Thank you for the info Now I need to figure out my size and all as I wear my ski boots and snowboard boots tight with just a single silk dress sock or sock liner. Mondo point sizing works best for me I have sneakers that are size 12 and some that are size 11 and the same with shoes. But that can be answered with a phone call easily. So tanks again for the help. grandfather Wolf:biggthump

Wow!!!! I'm gung ho here about learning this. used to figure skate a little when much younger. Doc says anything for excercise for the back will help me to stay mobile. I still have my chainsaw powered "autocross" street luge to finish but this looks like a blast. much better fun thatn the normal skate things i have seen. How do I get started what kinds of skates are best for foolling around like this as opposed to just skating around the block for excercise? What do they cost? I am on dissability for my back so money is tight where do I find used? eBay ? Bordy help!!!!!!!!! oh yeah, he won't hear me, can some of you guys fill in for him here Grandpa wwolf

You have to pay for pictures at this level of exposure!!!!!!! LOL

I've been online since the dawn of time - before Al Gore even invented the Internet. Who remembers BBS's and CompuServe? Ahhh how 'bout being on DARPA Net in 1976 how do you count that? Grandpa P.S. some programmers stayed up all night playing Dungeons and Dragons with other DARPA net folks. those were the days of tuxedo printed T-shirts. United Technologies,Carnegie Mellon, Cal Tech, Sikorsky,NASA, and so on........ The teletypes used up boxes of paper each night In 1977 we got the first DEC monitors so you did not have to waste all the paper

Come to the darkside, we have cookies I still want to know what kind of cookies.............. dirty old man

jUST LIKE MY 173 two extra layers of carbon fiber can do wonders For stiffness and longevity:biggthump